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    Re: Viet Nam who were the good guys

    Quote Originally Posted by faithful_servant View Post
    You need to debate which gov't was worse, not which people was worse. In the end, you end up with a choice between a gov't that wanted some freedom for it's people vs. one that made it crystal clear that once they took power, they would slaughter those who opposed them. Neither were "good guys", but the North was vastly worse then the South. This issue has become so politicized and so one-sided that people forget just why there was any intervention in the first place. It wasn't some idiotic idea about starting war to make money or get rid of poor/minorities, it was a simple fact that an ally of ours went through a grossly crooked election and the winning side decided to slaughter the losers. When you couple that with a few of the neighboring countries threatening to do the exact same thing if the same "party" took control there and you have a massive humanitarian crisis. Had we not stepped in, Pot Pot's killing fields would have happened in about 1962 and would have been seen in Laos, Cambodia and Viet Nam (possibly Thailand/Burma as well). Instead of a couple million people being killed, you end up with tens of millions dead and even more living under horrific oppression.. So we step in and start to fight a war that we weren't prepared for and that got massive bad press. But what happened after we left was undeniable proof that we were on the better of the two sides.
    As bad as the south was I think between e the two governments they were at least the lesser of two evils
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    Re: Viet Nam who were the good guys

    Every country is made up of 'good' and 'bad' guys. And every major battle as well.

    There were 'good' guys and 'bad' guys on both sides.

    Besides, it was not just America and North Vietnam...there was the U.S.S.R. and China...plus Cambodia and Laos and a ton of other countries - to varying extents - involved.

    Wars are proof of just how pathetically unevolved humanity still is.

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    Re: Viet Nam who were the good guys

    America. Obviously.

    I don't think this is a serious question.

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    Re: Viet Nam who were the good guys

    Good... bad..... I'm the guy with the gun.

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    Re: Viet Nam who were the good guys

    The original bad guys were the French. It was their attempt at colonizing Vietnam that tore the country apart to begin with. Most of the hotspots and messes in the third world still going on today have the footprints of European colonialism. The communist north Vietnamese regime certainly was not the good guys. The South Vietnamese regime was not perfect, however it was certainly the lesser of two evils. Despite the comments by some on this thread, the north Vietnamese were not allowing rank and file Vietnamese to choose which side they were one or the outcome. The Soviets propped up the communist north Vietnamese regime. The US attempted to prop up the South. Like it or not, despite the controversial manner in which LBJ entered us into the war...the Americans were to good guys. The soviets were propping up a brutal dictatorship. We were simply attempting to prevent the South Vietnamese people from being overcome by it.

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    Re: Viet Nam who were the good guys

    The Selective Service were the good guys.

    Hey, hey, LBJ. How many kids did you kill today?

    While my draft card gently burns.

    Ended up moot. I was one year too young. That was Awesome! ��
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    Re: Viet Nam who were the good guys

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    I am reading Vietnamese Gulag by Doan Van Toi and it makes me think if I was in Nam during the wars with the French and then the US I would have been on the side of the north and fought Americans. Doan was a good communist kid who ends up in a Gulag after America leaves and becomes very disenchanted with who he chose in the war but that is another story. He grew up in a small village constantly bombed by the French and then the Americans who also installed a puppet regime in the South that did nothing but harm the people. He also watched as his society turned into nothing but whores and thieves as the American presence grew.

    I know I know, THEIR were no good guys not there. Don't start on me.
    Doan was a good communist kid who ends up in a Gulag after America leaves
    No te comprendi Jose. How does a good commie end up in the gulag ?

    He grew up in a small village constantly bombed by the French and then the Americans who also installed a puppet regime in the South...
    Sounds like American liberal revisionism. Very unlikely it was Americans bombing the villages but RVAF doing the bombings.
    It was the Saigon government that decided what was a "free fire zone" not the American military. That's why American soldiers in Vietnam said they had to fight a war with one arm tied behind their backs.

    Any villages that were bombed were VC villages, the enemy of the RVN. If Doan Van Toi was a good commie bastard, it's very likely he lived in a commie village that was fighting against the RVN.

    No puppet government was established by the Americans. But JFK tried and failed miserably. In 1961 Esienhower warned JFK not to get involved in South Vietnam because the Diem regime was to corrupt. JFK thinking he was smarter and brighter than his elders ignored the advice. It was JFK in 1963 who signed off on the CIA backed military coups that backed fired to remove the Diem regime from power. After that failed attempt, Vietnam became America's problem. Four American Presidents would try to establish a non corrupt popular government in the RVN and all failed.

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