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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    So you are OK with people eking out an existence and thus having to depend on public assistance?



    Because at least the US isn't essentially a failed state?
    What failed state are you talking about?

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

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    I'm not buying that anymore. For most of them there are better places than where they are from a whole lot closer. Where the money they pay coyotes to get here would go a hell of a lot farther.
    Then why would they risk life and property coming to a nation where they're not welcome, don't speak the language, or understand the culture? That makes no sense at all.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    What failed state are you talking about?
    Mexico.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

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    Mexico.
    If you think Mexico is a failed state, you don't know what you are talking about.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post

    I've seen a lot of images, such as the one above, floating around the internet over the past week. When I see this, I wonder if Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform are completely opposed.

    For example, if we allow ten illegal immigrants to gain permanent residency, do ten veterans lose their benefits?
    Gosh, I don't know. Hey, do we have unemployment in this country at all? How is that unemployment for, say, vets?

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Which is what seems absurd to me, I personally don't see them as mutually exclusive. In fact, I think the concept of amnesty would save plenty of federal dollars, that could thereby be used for veterans benefits.
    ....not sure if serious.....

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Gosh, I don't know. Hey, do we have unemployment in this country at all? How is that unemployment for, say, vets?
    Depending up on the generation (see war), I'm pretty sure it's actually quite high.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    ....not sure if serious.....
    Completely serious, border enforcement and deportation are extremely expensive. So expensive that I hardly see why any actual conservative [see fiscally anyway] is even remotely concerned with increased enforcement, so much as simply streamlining the process for legal immigration.

    Ellis Island seems to be a pretty great example of efficient border control.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    Depending up on the generation (see war), I'm pretty sure it's actually quite high.
    And so when we are looking at, for example, the availability of jobs, does having people compete with a greater or a lesser supply of labor increase their chances?

    Completely serious, border enforcement and deportation are extremely expensive.
    What? We spend the equivalent of a rounding error of Medicare Fraud on the Border Patrol.

    So expensive that I hardly see why any actual conservative [see fiscally anyway] is even remotely concerned with increased enforcement, so much as simply streamlining the process for legal immigration.
    I'm willing to spend 12 Bn to be able to perform one of the basic security functions of a state. Being able to secure our border is a non-negotiable. It's like having a defensive capability, or a police force. You pay for it.

    Incidentally - "streamlining the process for legal immigration" is going to cost money .

    Ellis Island seems to be a pretty great example of efficient border control.
    Sure. So long as we can convince millions of latin americans to get on easily identified large vessels and transport themselves through a receiving center where we retain the right to send them right back.


    ....how do you propose we do that.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    You say they are supporting themselves, but that ignores the fact that many of these people are working jobs, below minimum wage and are barely surviving, living multiple people to one room. Nearly a third of illegal immigrants live in poverty. (Undocumented Immigrants Arenít Who You Think They Are | FiveThirtyEight)

    So they may be getting by as you say, but in reality they are eking our and existence.
    I remember when the first "boat people" from Laos and etc. arrived in my (very large) hometown. They lived in projects close to my parents' home, often 20 people in a one-bedroom apartment, and could be seen daily picking up trash with sticks alongside the freeways. And they didn't speak English. A decade later they were restaurant and shop owners and newspaper publishers, and their kids were winning the National Spelling Bee.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    I remember when the first "boat people" from Laos and etc. arrived in my (very large) hometown. They lived in projects close to my parents' home, often 20 people in a one-bedroom apartment, and could be seen daily picking up trash with sticks alongside the freeways. And they didn't speak English. A decade later they were restaurant and shop owners and newspaper publishers, and their kids were winning the National Spelling Bee.
    I remember the same thing. Some of them were in my class. And they weren't illegal, which allowed them to avail themselves of the many opportunities in this land of opportunity that are not available to the illegal aliens living here.
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