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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yet those areas are preferable to what they left or they would not stay there. Look at Detroit and the wonders of populations without work that do get "safety net" help so they will not leave or revolt (but seem to vote correctly). Instead of fighting that sub-minimum wage you instead want more illegal labor to fill those positions and more "safety net" help to keep those positions out of the hands of US citizen voters.
    No I actually cleRly stated the illegals need to go......

    Here we go with Detroit again, about the only real argument you have, well cities like Seattle and San Francisco in Boston and numerous other cities you think of as liberal cities are doing very well economically. Detroit's problems are kind of like LA his problems they really result from corruption and not from actual application of Liberal policies

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It would seem that the VA does have their attention:

    Care and Benefits for Veterans Strengthened by $164 Billion VA Budget
    If that action (back in March to "support goals") addressed the VA issue to your satisfaction then I suppose they should be content that is all that needed to be done. Would a 6.5% increase in immigration law enforcement spending to "support goals" be a suitable compromise?
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    No I actually cleRly stated the illegals need to go......

    Here we go with Detroit again, about the only real argument you have, well cities like Seattle and San Francisco in Boston and numerous other cities you think of as liberal cities are doing very well economically. Detroit's problems are kind of like LA his problems they really result from corruption and not from actual application of Liberal policies

    Not in the post to which I replied. What is letting illegal aliens stay other than a liberal policy?
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No, they're not, it's a stupid statement. Not to mention that immigrants (illegal or otherwise) should be viewed as assets to be developed, but are instead depicted by the right as a drain on society.
    I completely agree, which is exactly why I started the thread.

    Back when my family came to this country, immigration was much simpler. They spent around a day on Ellis Island and provided they were not dangerous felons or harboring some infectious disease, and then legally entered the United States. It was a relatively fast process and allowed for millions of immigrants to enter the country yearly.

    Basically, it followed the free-market.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not in the post to which I replied. What is letting illegal aliens stay other than a liberal policy?
    I'd argue that it's a tenant of free-market capitalism.

    If there's a demand for them to stay (i.e. more work/ better conditions than where they left) then they're going to stay. Legal or otherwise, and the free-market would dictate exactly that.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    If that action (back in March to "support goals") addressed the VA issue to your satisfaction then I suppose they should be content that is all that needed to be done. Would a 6.5% increase in immigration law enforcement spending to "support goals" be a suitable compromise?
    Again, the two issues are unrelated. Would a 6.5% increase in immigration law enforcement spending put an end to illegal immigration? I seriously doubt it. Would an increase in spending even be necessary? I doubt that, too. Does anyone in Washington want to put an end to illegal immigration? Not likely.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    Illegal immigrants are not a benefit to society in anyway except that they benefit the big corporatists you want people who wont demad labor protection or overtime pay.
    I'd argue that anyone performing a task for compensation is in some way benefitting society. Especially where most illegal immigrants do pay taxes (either through income or purchases) in the expenditure of these wages. Thing is, illegal immigrants are actually just part of society, and if we were to simply make it so they weren't illegal they could be adding even more value, while using less resources.


    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    How many asset should we allow into the country anyway 300 million 400 million billion 30 million should we just develop Yellowstone National Park to house them.... Over a third of California's prison population of people in prison for violent felonies consist of those very assets that you think we need to develop
    Hyperbole, the free market would never allow that sort of exaggerated situation to exist.

    Besides, the prison system represents another major problem.

    We incarcerate more people than any other nation, and it's costing us dearly.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You ever been to towns with a large population of illegals? There certainly not enjoying a lifestyle that we consider middle class in America in 2014

    I can name us up a couple towns like this Fresno, Arvin, Los Banos, and certain neighborhoods in LA feel like you walk into a Third World country. No submiminum wage does not support an acceptable standard of living
    That's a great reason to deport them. The idiot scabs drive down wages while the cost of living is getting more expensive.

    We need the military on the border with orders to shoot them on sight. Treat them like hostile invaders.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post
    I'd argue that anyone performing a task for compensation is in some way benefitting society. Especially where most illegal immigrants do pay taxes (either through income or purchases) in the expenditure of these wages. Thing is, illegal immigrants are actually just part of society, and if we were to simply make it so they weren't illegal they could be adding even more value, while using less resources.




    Hyperbole, the free market would never allow that sort of exaggerated situation to exist.

    Besides, the prison system represents another major problem.

    We incarcerate more people than any other nation, and it's costing us dearly.
    There is no way that illegal immigrants pay more money in taxes than how much it takes to support them especially when their children are on welfare programs attending our public schools and a third of all prison inmates in the biggest state in the country are illegal immigrants. There will be far more benefit to society of all that employment was done by American citizens who are working under the protection of our labor laws including our wages and overtime protections. Legalizing the current wave of illegal immigrants will only serve to increase the market for minimum wage labor while at the same time encouraging another 5 million illegals to go subminimum wage again right behind them. At the time of the last big amnesty in the early 90s we had 4 million illegal immigrants in the country now we have three times that many so yes there will probably be another 30 million illegal immigrants in 20 years unless we begin cracking down on border enforcement and departing the ones here. So when are there too many wires that is it when we have to start developing national parks developing public lands to house them eventually at some point there's too many people offer to few dollars The best solution is to encourage them to improve their own countries.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post

    I've seen a lot of images, such as the one above, floating around the internet over the past week. When I see this, I wonder if Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform are completely opposed.

    For example, if we allow ten illegal immigrants to gain permanent residency, do ten veterans lose their benefits?
    The notion suggests that we can do only one thing at a time.
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    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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