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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep and all without any nonsense of saying that there are jobs which are beneath them. I am so tired of hearing that illegal labor does not take "valuable" jobs while also hearing that we need ever more "safety net" spending. Are those now getting "safety net" assistance not supposed to have to eke out a living too? Why, exactly, are they not working the jobs "needed to be filled" but only by illegal labor?
    So you think that people should literally just eke out an existence? I agree that people shouldn't think that jobs are beneath them, however the problem arises when you can pay people below minimum wage and the minimum wage itself isn't anything anyone can survive off of.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Yep and all without any nonsense of saying that there are jobs which are beneath them. I am so tired of hearing that illegal labor does not take "valuable" jobs while also hearing that we need ever more "safety net" spending. Are those now getting "safety net" assistance not supposed to have to eke out a living too? Why, exactly, are they not working the jobs "needed to be filled" but only by illegal labor?
    The assumption there is that immigration reform would cost enough to make veteran's benefits unaffordable. Whether it would cost anything at all depends on what sort of reform were to be passed.

    The right sort of immigration reform could actually save money.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    No, they're not, it's a stupid statement. Not to mention that immigrants (illegal or otherwise) should be viewed as assets to be developed, but are instead depicted by the right as a drain on society.
    Illegal immigrants are not a benefit to society in anyway except that they benefit the big corporatists you want people who wont demad labor protection or overtime pay. Just look at how much roofers and drywaller's main Los Angeles 30-40years ago and compare that to today. How many asset should we allow into the country anyway 300 million 400 million billion 30 million should we just develop Yellowstone National Park to house them.... Over a third of California's prison population of people in prison for violent felonies consist of those very assets that you think we need to develop

    And it has nothing to do with the right wing just look at Oregon State were Democrats actually did well and they rejected drivers licenses is for illegal immigrants by an overwhelming margin
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    So you think that people should literally just eke out an existence? I agree that people shouldn't think that jobs are beneath them, however the problem arises when you can pay people below minimum wage and the minimum wage itself isn't anything anyone can survive off of.
    That defies logic. Are illegal aliens rushing into the US (often at considerable expense) so that they may work hard just to not be able to survive?


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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That defies logic. Are illegal aliens rushing into the US (often at considerable expense) so that they may work hard just to not be able to survive?


    Think, before you drink... even Kool-aid.
    You ever been to towns with a large population of illegals? There certainly not enjoying a lifestyle that we consider middle class in America in 2014

    I can name us up a couple towns like this Fresno, Arvin, Los Banos, and certain neighborhoods in LA feel like you walk into a Third World country. No submiminum wage does not support an acceptable standard of living
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The assumption there is that immigration reform would cost enough to make veteran's benefits unaffordable. Whether it would cost anything at all depends on what sort of reform were to be passed.

    The right sort of immigration reform could actually save money.
    Immigration enforcement costs money which is precisely why we now "lack resources" to enforce the current immigration law. My point was that congress critters will not focus on VA issues while Obama has them "laser focused" on immigration. Check your favorite news source and count the VA reform stories vs. the immigration reform stories - which has the attention of our congress critters?
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Starbuck View Post

    I've seen a lot of images, such as the one above, floating around the internet over the past week. When I see this, I wonder if Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform are completely opposed.

    For example, if we allow ten illegal immigrants to gain permanent residency, do ten veterans lose their benefits?
    What you are seeing is the frustration that Vet's have about the lip service they get from Washington versus the action that the law breakers have gotten.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    The two issues are totally unrelated, of course.





    But, people conflate unrelated issues all the time, so why not?


    Way more unrelated than apples and oranges, eh?

    More like confusing grandmothers with toads.

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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    You ever been to towns with a large population of illegals? There certainly not enjoying a lifestyle that we consider middle class in America in 2014

    I can name us up a couple towns like this Fresno, Arvin, Los Banos, and certain neighborhoods in LA feel like you walk into a Third World country. No submiminum wage does not support an acceptable standard of living
    Yet those areas are preferable to what they left or they would not stay there. Look at Detroit and the wonders of populations without work that do get "safety net" help so they will not leave or revolt (but seem to vote correctly). Instead of fighting that sub-minimum wage you instead want more illegal labor to fill those positions and more "safety net" help to keep those positions out of the hands of US citizen voters.
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    Re: Are Veterans Benefits and Immigration Reform mutually exclusive?

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Immigration enforcement costs money which is precisely why we now "lack resources" to enforce the current immigration law. My point was that congress critters will not focus on VA issues while Obama has them "laser focused" on immigration. Check your favorite news source and count the VA reform stories vs. the immigration reform stories - which has the attention of our congress critters?
    It would seem that the VA does have their attention:

    Care and Benefits for Veterans Strengthened by $164 Billion VA Budget

    March 4, 2014, 08:00:00 AM

    WASHINGTON – Continuing the transformation of the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) into a 21st century organization, the President has proposed a $163.9 billion budget, a 6.5 percent increase over Fiscal Year 2014, that will support VA’s goals to expand access to health care and other benefits, eliminate the disability claims backlog, and end homelessness among Veterans. The budget includes $68.4 billion in discretionary spending, largely for healthcare, and $95.6 billion for mandatory programs – mostly disability compensation and pensions for Veterans.

    “This budget will allow us to continue the progress we have made in helping Veterans secure their place in the middle class,” said Secretary of Veterans Affairs Eric K. Shinseki. “It is a tangible demonstration of the President’s commitment to ensuring Veterans and their families have the care and benefits they’ve earned and deserve.”
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