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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Fair point, and in the interest of full disclosure, I would never purposely cite a book in an attempt otherwise conceal my information. If I am aware of an online link, I will provide it. (And I will provide a quote, if I can.) But, at the same time, that are indeed times where I got my information from a printed source and I am unaware of any online links. Just because it comes from a book/magazine doesn't automatically make it illegitimate.
    Just from googling the subject, it appears that universities do indeed still accept magazine, newspaper, and other sources as supporting information for research and other papers. I'm sure it depends on what the subject matter is, and how technical and/or scholarly it needs to be, but from what I remember when I was in school (early 80's), we used a pretty wide variety of source material.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Just from googling the subject, it appears that universities do indeed still accept magazine, newspaper, and other sources as supporting information for research and other papers. I'm sure it depends on what the subject matter is, and how technical and/or scholarly it needs to be, but from what I remember when I was in school (early 80's), we used a pretty wide variety of source material.
    technically you can still write separate works and cite them as unpublished sources and be fine academically as long as you make them available for the professor. It is iffy practice to me, but still considered legitimate scholarship to cite yourself.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wrong.

    I'm one of the people that does not accept a source that is void of outside critical analysis (such as magazine articles). I'm sure my discernment of sources is superior to yours, given my education dwarfs yours. One shouldn't get personal about things they're ignorant regarding.

    It all falls into place. You're one of those people that thinks he can critically analyze another's work all by himself. You know, one of those people that doesn't understand the purpose of outside review, let alone peer review. You think you know it all and you don't need reviews of material to determine accuracy. And guess what? That's stupid.
    Your standards are not just high, they are needlessly pretentious. At the very least, magazine articles contain interviews, reports and anecdotes that can used as evidence to support arguments about the nature and effects of people, organizations and events. In truth, however, such articles can also be used to find first person narratives, statistics and other sources of information. And, with magazine articles, you can still evaluate the credibility just like you would any other source - you're just missing one measure of credibility - outside review. Maybe missing that measure weakens credibility to an extent, but it doesn't eliminate the source as credible completely.

    You're operating on the pretentious plane of dissertations and academic journals in the "hard sciences". That's not what we're talking about here.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Ecofarm has a very narrow view of "acceptable source" and think those of us who argue otherwise are somehow "truthers" (not sure what is meant by that) who lie about getting our degrees.

    I advise not engaging him/her on this topic anymore. Sounds like he/she may be gone from the thread anyway.

    (Of course Ecofarm is entitled to his/her beliefs - only peer-reviewed books should be used as sources - but not to the fact others of us have stated: i.e. yes, we used magazine articles as sources while in college.)

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Not really. Some source mediums are simply not acceptable, no matter who they claim wrote the article, like magazines.
    The issue is "popular" vs scholarly resources. At DP we mainly rely on "popular" sources such as WaPo--sources available to the general public. Sometimes experts do give interviews and provide information to ordinary folks, and so it's not just the medium; it's also the source of the information. A quote is a quote.

    And then there are trade publications, which are regarded generally as "popular" as opposed to scholarly. I regard them as "bridge" publications because scholarly experts do publish in these, e.g. state co-op publications published by their extension services that are mailed free of charge to rural residents. The one I receive monthly does contain articles published by experts in the field, and so I would count this as a scholarly source.

    Much depends on the industry. Google "industrial distribution journals," and see what you hit. But there are venerable and respected magazines--trade pubs--which do contain scholarly information. The best example is HR Magazine. I wouldn't hesitate to cite it in a bibliography for publication.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    You have a very antiquated view of "Today". With Amazon and others' print on demand services, most anybody can write a book and have it published. That it has a lot of words and can sit on a shelf has nothing to do with the quality of the content.
    True. I know people who publish on Amazon (and make tidy little livings doing so, BTW). A current DP member has talked about his spouse's publications too. This is the electronic morphing of the vanity press.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    As for a book, I think it is fine so long as it contains footnote resources that support author claims/suppositions. I'm a bit iffy about magazine articles. Depends on the author's reputation and/or credentials.


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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, that's it, too many Truthers. I'm out.
    I'm glad if you are because in all my time at DP, I've never read such misinformation, and most of it came from you. To another you posted, "I'm sure my discernment of sources is superior to yours, given my education dwarfs yours. One shouldn't get personal about things they're ignorant regarding."

    Take your own advice, Eco. You are mistaken about so very much, and your own understanding is limited. Among your mistaken claims are that there are no critiques of magazine articles, books have to be peer-reviewed by at least 20 people with a doctoral degree, an academic journal is not a magazine (no, it’s an academic magazine that distinguishes itself by the term “journal,” but it is a periodical just the same), blogs and magazines aren't cited in scholarly publications, and etc.

    I wouldn't be saying this if your tone throughout this thread hadn't been so arrogant and superior, but "we in academia" includes you, unless you've finished, only as a provisional member. Wait until you yourself have served on a doctoral committee and until your experience with peer review isn't so limited--when you're doing a lot of it yourself, I mean--and until you yourself are trained in bibliographic analysis to puff yourself up in this way.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    As for a book, I think it is fine so long as it contains footnote resources that support author claims/suppositions. I'm a bit iffy about magazine articles. Depends on the author's reputation and/or credentials.
    Of course both CAN be acceptable.
    The American Journal of Medecine is a perfectly acceptable source of information.
    Dr Ho`s semi-monthly journal of Dr Ho`s medicinal herbal remedies published, edited and reviewd by Dr and Mrs. Ho, not so much.

    When discussing say the origins of the 2nd world war Mein Kampf could be used.
    However it would be silly to try and use it as a source if writing an anthropologiocal paper on jews in 1920`s Austria.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    When I read the post about blogs, I immediately thought of Powerline , Little Green Footballs and "Memogate" (also known as "Rathergate"). Go to Google Scholar, type in "powerline blog and memogate," and see what you hit.

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