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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    You still ignore that "professional reviews" are paid reviews and that magazine articles get widely circulated in the internet and receive lots of commentary, positive and negative by professionals and lay folks alike.
    Not to mention that many of the people who write books also write magazine articles, and visa versa. Sometimes even with some of the same information.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    You say something, someone requests your source for said information, you provide a book or magazine as your source. If a book you might even provide an Amazon or Barnes & Noble link. For a magazine, of course you provide which issue. (It does need to be reasonably obtainable)

    Is that a valid source?

    I say it is, and eff you if it doesn't satisfy your laziness-inspired desire for a clickable link. You wanted a source and you got one. Get over it. The ball's now in your court.
    It depends on the sources used for a book or magazine,which many magazines and books will cite. It would probably also depend on the author too.For example a book or article about guns by Michael Bloomberg then the article or book has about as much credibility as a article Alex Jones regarding Obama's birth.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Depending on the author, a book is acceptable. Magazine, no.

    Of course, for sports information and non-controversial stuff, just about anything is acceptable (and debatable) as long as the source is not known garbage.
    I disagree many magazines are actually very respectable sources. It also depends what your sourcing the magazine for, for example if you're making the assertion that Charlton Heston said XYZ pointing to the appropriate issue of American rifleman would definitely be a reliable source. I myself have learned a lot about gardening and small livestock by reading mother Earth news for example. Many magazines are also publications catering to a certain audience that contain a lot of great material so I wouldn't discount magazines offhand
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    I disagree many magazines are actually very respectable sources. It also depends what your sourcing the magazine for, for example if you're making the assertion that Charlton Heston said XYZ pointing to the appropriate issue of American rifleman would definitely be a reliable source. I myself have learned a lot about gardening and small livestock by reading mother Earth news for example. Many magazines are also publications catering to a certain audience that contain a lot of great material so I wouldn't discount magazines offhand
    Ok, that's it, too many Truthers. I'm out.

    If you're not, my apologies (I think I recognize the name from CT) but still - good day.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Example: Radley Balko's book, Rise of the Warrior Cop

    The man is a well-regarded writer and commentator of this particular issue. His book has been well-received and well-reviewed, overall.

    Mr Balko has also written similar pieces, quoting his own book, in HuffPost and various magazine articles. All of his writings cite sources, though the book obviously has more room to be more comprehensive in citing sources. Regardless, the information is the same and is from the same sources.

    What would make his book any more credible than his internet and/or magazine articles? They're all essentially the same thing, only different format.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Ok, that's it, too many Truthers. I'm out.

    If you're not, my apologies (I think I recognize the name from CT) but still - good day.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    You say something, someone requests your source for said information, you provide a book or magazine as your source. If a book you might even provide an Amazon or Barnes & Noble link. For a magazine, of course you provide which issue. (It does need to be reasonably obtainable)

    Is that a valid source?

    I say it is, and eff you if it doesn't satisfy your laziness-inspired desire for a clickable link. You wanted a source and you got one. Get over it. The ball's now in your court.
    In person, yes. In an online debate? No.

    In an online debate, when one provides someone with something that is behind a pay wall or without the ability to select a package, it has always struck me as though they're trying to make it so that no one can actually assess the validity of their source.

    It just isn't realistic to expect someone to pay money, and then spend a week reading something, for an online forum debate that moves quickly, and everyone knows that. Besides that, unlike in person where you can either hand someone the book or read/copy certain passages to present in the debate, the other person have to actually pay for it, which might be prohibitive for them. Who asks someone to pay 10 bucks to be able to participate in an internet debate? Honestly. What other reason is there to do that besides being squirrely? Unless it's just a "hey, I liked this book, you should check it out"?

    I think it's a bit disingenuous to give a tedious and for-pay source in an online debate, and I take it as a rather passive-aggressive gesture, personally.

    I'm perfectly willing to use books. I used to use them all the time in debate in high school. But using books online, unless you've got some kind of copy of a passage to post, is just exclusionary.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Professionals are not paid by the book writer or publisher. By professional reviews, we mean professionals within the field (be that academic or otherwise) that write independent reviews of the work in the course of their profession.



    So what? We're talking about people being paid, in the course of their profession, to review material so as to establish validity - not blogs. Actual qualified people putting their career on the line in review of material within their established expertise.

    Searching blogs for comments about an article in Vogue is not the same thing. Do you consider youtube comments to be in line with peer review? wtf
    Eco, you seem to making the argument that the only valid source of information is that written as a paper by an academic and reviewed by other equally academics. That is elitist and incorrect. Information published in a magazine, on a blog, or yelled loudly by someone on a street corner is not necessarily incorrect. Data such as this bears further confirmation, but so does so called non biased peer reviewed data produced in a journal. To accept any data as the final word without verifying on your own is a fools game.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by EMNofSeattle View Post
    What are you talking about?
    Then my apologies and a good evening. But I've had enough of this thread at any rate.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    In person, yes. In an online debate? No.

    In an online debate, when one provides someone with something that is behind a pay wall or without the ability to select a package, it has always struck me as though they're trying to make it so that no one can actually assess the validity of their source.

    It just isn't realistic to expect someone to pay money, and then spend a week reading something, for an online forum debate that moves quickly, and everyone knows that. Besides that, unlike in person where you can either hand someone the book or read/copy certain passages to present in the debate, the other person have to actually pay for it, which might be prohibitive for them. Who asks someone to pay 10 bucks to be able to participate in an internet debate? Honestly. What other reason is there to do that besides being squirrely? Unless it's just a "hey, I liked this book, you should check it out"?

    I think it's a bit disingenuous to give a tedious and for-pay source in an online debate, and I take it as a rather passive-aggressive gesture, personally.

    I'm perfectly willing to use books. I used to use them all the time in debate in high school. But using books online, unless you've got some kind of copy of a passage to post, is just exclusionary.
    Fair point, and in the interest of full disclosure, I would never purposely cite a book in an attempt otherwise conceal my information. If I am aware of an online link, I will provide it. (And I will provide a quote if I only have the book, if I can.) But, at the same time, that are indeed times where I got my information from a printed source and I am unaware of any online links. Just because it comes from a book/magazine doesn't automatically make it illegitimate.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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