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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No college allows magazine citations. It doesn't matter who writes it. Go to their reviewed material and cite that.

    The reason someone esteemed and academically published would write in a magazine is because such a format permits under-substantiated speculation.

    So, use their reviewed material.
    It doesn't matter to me what a college permits. I'm not writing a thesis. It matters what I have researched on my own and found to be substiantiated. Will I listen to an acedemic or read their paper or article? Sure. Will I accept it on its face? Probably not. I will still cross confirm. I'll also listen to other sources that have something to say. I cross source those also.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    It matters what I have researched on my own and found to be substiantiated.
    Are you a Truther?

    Any critical thinker knows better than to trust their own limited knowledge in establishing the credibility of work. You don't think just maybe something might slide past you? What are you, omniscient?

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    It doesn't matter to me what a college permits. I'm not writing a thesis. It matters what I have researched on my own and found to be substiantiated. Will I listen to an acedemic or read their paper or article? Sure. Will I accept it on its face? Probably not. I will still cross confirm. I'll also listen to other sources that have something to say. I cross source those also.
    Would also depend on the subject. If we're debating a political subject here on DP, for example, sure there might be some facts like place and time, but the conclusions are still subjective opinion.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    How in the hell did we ever know anything was true, back in the day?
    The same way we do today, by professional reviews. Not, as Truthers would tell you, by figuring it all out and knowing everything about everything all by yourself - because, you know what, that's not ****ing possible.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Would also depend on the subject. If we're debating a political subject here on DP, for example, sure there might be some facts like place and time, but the conclusions are still subjective opinion.
    That is the rub of it. I find more interesting facts in the things that I disagree with than the things I agree with. Doesn't change my bias on an issue. Facts can be be argued a lot of different ways.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    The same way we do today, by professional review. Not, as Truthers would tell you, by figuring it all out and knowing everything about everything all by yourself - because, you know what, that's not ****ing possible.
    You have a very antiquated view of "Today". With Amazon and others' print on demand services, most anybody can write a book and have it published. That it has a lot of words and can sit on a shelf has nothing to do with the quality of the content.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    You have a very antiquated view of "Today". With Amazon and others' print on demand services, most anybody can write a book and have it published. That it has a lot of words and can sit on a shelf has nothing to do with the quality of the content.
    It doesn't matter who writes it. If a book is of any consequence, it will have professional reviews. Those reviews might completely discredit the book, the important thing is that professional reviews exist for books and they do not for magazine articles.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-22-14 at 11:25 PM.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    It doesn't matter who writes it. If the book is of any consequence, it will have professional reviews. Those reviews might completely discredit the book, the important thing is that professional reviews exist for books and they do not for magazine articles.
    You still ignore that "professional reviews" are paid reviews and that magazine articles get widely circulated in the internet and receive lots of commentary, positive and negative by professionals and lay folks alike.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Would also depend on the subject. If we're debating a political subject here on DP, for example, sure there might be some facts like place and time, but the conclusions are still subjective opinion.
    You, sir, are correct. Most subjects are subject to opinion, even those acedemics would have you believe are settled and not subject to debate.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    You still ignore that "professional reviews" are paid reviews
    Professionals are not paid by the book writer or publisher. By professional reviews, we mean professionals within the field (be that academic or otherwise) that write independent reviews of the work in the course of their profession.

    magazine articles get widely circulated in the internet and receive lots of commentary, positive and negative by professionals and lay folks alike.
    So what? We're talking about people being paid, in the course of their profession, to review material so as to establish validity - not blogs. Actual qualified people putting their career on the line in review of material within their established expertise.

    Searching blogs for comments about an article in Vogue is not the same thing. Do you consider youtube comments to be in line with peer review? wtf
    Last edited by ecofarm; 11-22-14 at 11:35 PM.

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