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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    You say something, someone requests your source for said information, you provide a book or magazine as your source. If a book you might even provide an Amazon or Barnes & Noble link. For a magazine, of course you provide which issue. (It does need to be reasonably obtainable)

    Is that a valid source?

    I say it is, and eff you if it doesn't satisfy your laziness-inspired desire for a clickable link. You wanted a source and you got one. Get over it. The ball's now in your court.
    It depends on the reference.

    Just because it is a book it does not automatically mean that the content is valid and reliable. I was issued a book that had such nonsense depicted in it that I had to throw it across the office and into the can.

    A magazine may be a journal, as in a scientific journal. It then may depend on what is searched for.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    You say something, someone requests your source for said information, you provide a book or magazine as your source. If a book you might even provide an Amazon or Barnes & Noble link. For a magazine, of course you provide which issue. (It does need to be reasonably obtainable)

    Is that a valid source?

    I say it is, and eff you if it doesn't satisfy your laziness-inspired desire for a clickable link. You wanted a source and you got one. Get over it. The ball's now in your court.
    The problem is that books or magazines aren't conducive to online debates and trust is abused on a regular basis on DP, where sources are frequently taken out of context, misinterpreted or misstated altogether. If I were to accept a book or magazine, it would either have to come from someone I already trusted to be honest, or a really sizable chunk of the original text would have to be retyped here so I could be assured that nothing was cherry picked.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    PDFs work just fine, and more and more articles are being DOI'd and PDF'd.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    Among your mistaken claims are that there are no critiques of magazine articles,
    I didn't claim that. I claimed there are no professional reviews - and there are not. Why? Because only a moron would think professionally reviewing a magazine is worth a bucket of piss.

    books have to be peer-reviewed by at least 20 people with a doctoral degree,
    Lie. I claimed no such thing.

    an academic journal is not a magazine (no, it’s an academic magazine that distinguishes itself by the term “journal,” but it is a periodical just the same),
    This is too stupid to respond to. You obviously have no clue what you're babbling about.

    blogs and magazines aren't cited in scholarly publications, and etc.
    No college, even a garbage community college, allows the citation of blogs and magazines. You are again showing a pitiful lack of education and understanding of the purpose of peer review.

    You're claiming an academic journal article is the same as a blog. That's so idiotic I can't believe you're serious.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    The issue is "popular" vs scholarly resources. At DP we mainly rely on "popular" sources such as WaPo--sources available to the general public. Sometimes experts do give interviews and provide information to ordinary folks, and so it's not just the medium; it's also the source of the information. A quote is a quote.

    And then there are trade publications, which are regarded generally as "popular" as opposed to scholarly. I regard them as "bridge" publications because scholarly experts do publish in these, e.g. state co-op publications published by their extension services that are mailed free of charge to rural residents. The one I receive monthly does contain articles published by experts in the field, and so I would count this as a scholarly source.

    Much depends on the industry. Google "industrial distribution journals," and see what you hit. But there are venerable and respected magazines--trade pubs--which do contain scholarly information. The best example is HR Magazine. I wouldn't hesitate to cite it in a bibliography for publication.
    Everyone knows this.

    Yet, you cannot discern the difference between a blog and an academic journal article. That's pathetic.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Depending on the author, a book is acceptable. Magazine, no.

    Of course, for sports information and non-controversial stuff, just about anything is acceptable (and debatable) as long as the source is not known garbage.
    Disagree. I've quoted back issues of National Geographic and The Walrus that weren't available online.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    Disagree. I've quoted back issues of National Geographic and The Walrus that weren't available online.
    Any decent professor would require you seek the source material for the NG article. It's not like that's secret and the reviewed material will be without the embellishments, under-substantiated conclusions and personal wanderings.

    Why were you incapable of finding the source journal articles? That's lazy half-ass scholarship.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Any decent professor would require you seek the source material for the NG article. It's not like that's secret and the reviewed material will be without the embellishments, under-substantiated conclusions and personal wanderings.

    Why were you incapable of finding the source journal articles? That's lazy half-ass scholarship.
    No scholarship involved. It was just on-line discussion.
    I can understand why someone would be unwilling to accept such a citation and if they do I guess the discussion's over. For sure "I read somewhere that..." can't decide an argument but as an example of something it's acceptable. I do it all the time so it must be okay.
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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by Grand Mal View Post
    No scholarship involved. It was just on-line discussion.
    I can understand why someone would be unwilling to accept such a citation and if they do I guess the discussion's over. For sure "I read somewhere that..." can't decide an argument but as an example of something it's acceptable. I do it all the time so it must be okay.
    In casual conversation, any source might be acceptable.

    One can still understand the difference between professionally reviewed sources and blogs/magazines, and understand the importance of professional review. For someone to believe their own personal investigation is sufficient to vet a piece of work regarding which that are not a trained professional is beyond stupid.

    "All periodicals are equal" is ignorant beyond belief.

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    Re: Is a book or magazine a valid source?

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Everyone knows this.

    Yet, you cannot discern the difference between a blog and an academic journal article. That's pathetic.
    No, what's sad is that you don't understand what a periodical is when you're this far into the academic pipeline. What I said and you bolded was "it is a periodical just the same." That it is, Eco. Embarrassing for you that you don't know what a "periodical" is.

    Further, in the matter of peer review, there is more than one kind. "Popular" periodicals such as WaPo use editors and fact-checkers; scholarly journals use referees. You are mistaken that the latter are always paid; some disciplines are so small that the reviewing is on a volunteer basis (Czech literature), and some are so small that everybody knows who the "blind" reviewers are (cognitive psych).

    Now stop playing the smarter-and-better-educated-than-thou card. You and your hubris have been caught short. I know perfectly well, as most of us, the difference between a blog and a scholarly journal, and what I said was that I wouldn't hesitate to cite a reliable blog. You are willfully misrepresenting what I said.

    If you don't believe that you said magazine articles aren't critiqued, take a look at your own Post #9. If you don't believe that undergraduate college papers cite "popular" sources, take a look at the Purdue OWL's sample bib: https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/747/12/

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