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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah.
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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Tragically yes, targeted killing is sometimes indicated. Like most things in life, it has its benefits and drawbacks.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    This is a good question, and one that isn't 100% answered to this day.

    But going by what I've read, I think the evil in his cabinet was at the very least equal, and quite likely much worse than Hitler himself. And they certainly had better ability to make it happen -- as you say, in many ways Hitler was his own worst enemy.

    Hitler was rather crap at the business of running Germany, and not much a general either. He was disorganized and a bit mad and really, it seems as though his cabinet spent more time going around him than through him.

    No doubt Hitler hated the Jews and various other types of people and was more than happy to see a plan to have them killed, but whether he even had a big hand in designing the Final Solution is still an open question. We do know with fair certainty that he didn't go into it with any kind of genocidal plan. And to all appearances, it wasn't initially put together as a plan at all -- it sort of slowly came together, piece by piece.

    I think Hitler was probably too incompetent to be the main source of deed behind Nazi Germany. I think the likes of say, Goebbels or Himmler is a much more likely main force. It's a bit of a shame that the memorability of Hitler has overshadowed that, and that few people know their names and the kinds of things they did.
    To do what hitler did you needed to have someone who the German people nearly worshiped as a savior. Hitler had that very rare ability to mesmerize a crowd and ultimately a country. People like that are few and far between

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    anonymous polls ought to be terminated

    with extreme prejudice!



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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    If someone assassinated Hitler before he fully implemented his agenda the world would have been a lot better off IMO. What about you, is assassination ever okay?
    It's a high cost political strategy that establishes a very bad precedent in international relations. Not absolutely the wrong thing to do, but . . . expensive in terms of the traditional currencies of power and credibility.
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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    And turtles should be made into soup and their shells dried in the sun for a bowel
    you have some interesting intestinal issues there dude



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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    If someone assassinated Hitler before he fully implemented his agenda the world would have been a lot better off IMO. What about you, is assassination ever okay?


    February 1933
    The German Reichstag is destroyed by fire. The plot and execution is almost certainly due to the Nazis but they point the finger at the communists and trigger a General Election.


    March 1933
    The Enabling Act passed—powers of legislation pass to Hitler’s cabinet for four years, making him virtual dictator.

    He proclaims the Nazi Party is the only political party permitted in Germany. All other parties and trade unions are disbanded. Individual German states lose any autonomous powers, while Nazi officials become state governors.


    April 1933
    Communist party banned.


    May 1933
    Socialists, Trade Unions and strikes banned.


    October 1933
    Hitler withdraws from the League of Nations. In the following months, he trebles the size of the German Army and ignores the arms restrictions imposed by the Treaty of Versailles.


    June 1934
    Night of the Long Knives. Hitler crushes all opposition within his own party—thus eliminating any of his rivals.


    July 1934
    After the death of President Hindenburg, Hitler becomes “Fuehrer and Reich Chancellor” and abolishes the title of President.


    1935
    Hitler re-arms Germany with the aim of undoing the Treaty of Versailles and uniting all the German peoples. Military conscription is introduced.


    March 1938
    The Austrian Chancellor, leader of the Austrian Nazi Party, invites the German army to occupy Austria and proclaim a union with Germany.
    If Hitler was assassinated, history certainly would have been different. How different we will never know. Perhaps given a couple of more years to re-arm, then instead of 1939 starting WWII it would have waited until 1941 or after. Perhaps whoever replaced Hitler would have listen to his generals.

    But that deals with only your example. History can't be changed. The assassination of Arch Duke Ferdinand started WWI. I wouldn't rule assassination out, but I also doubt I would ever use it. Assassinating Pol Pot before he killed 2-3 million of his countryman would seem like a good idea, but there is always a number two who probably would have stepped in and continued it. Maybe even more ruthless. It is something to think about.
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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Idealistically, no. Pragmatically, maybe.
    "The side that stays within its fortifications is beaten." ~Napoleon

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    From what I understand it might have made sense to eliminate him before he was able to instigate WWII, but once the war started it was probably best to let him stay in charge since strategically he was Germany's own worst enemy.

    Something I'm not entirely clear on myself is, how responsible is Hitler personally for the events that led to WWII and the Holocaust? Did he simply ride a tidal wave of historical events? Or did he shape the thoughts of the time so specifically that those events never would have happened had he not lived?
    Excellent post.

    I wholly agree with your first paragraph. The only caveat is that you can't predict the future, so what we see in hindsight as a string of linked events we ourselves might not have seen had we been alive at the time.

    As far as your second paragraph, I believe it's entirely possible (but not certain) that many of the atrocities were not instigated by Hitler himself, but rather by underlings trying to gain favor with Hitler. If Hitler was the mind behind them, then he did a very good job of publicly and historically disassociating himself and not leaving evidence as such.
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