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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Yeah. Saddam was bad, but his boys would likely have been worse.

    And yeah, our regime change there isn't working out as well as hoped. There's just a whole lotta Stupid to go around in that region, and
    damn little Live and Let Live.


    According to what I've read there's been a severe shortage of live and let live in the Middle East since long before Jesus Christ died on the cross.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    According to what I've read there's been a severe shortage of live and let live in the Middle East since long before Jesus Christ died on the cross.


    Yeah. Must be all that damn Sand.... makes people crazy. "Dammit, I've got sand in my arse again! That's it! I'm going to kill EVERYONE!"

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    This is a good question, and one that isn't 100% answered to this day.

    But going by what I've read, I think the evil in his cabinet was at the very least equal, and quite likely much worse than Hitler himself. And they certainly had better ability to make it happen -- as you say, in many ways Hitler was his own worst enemy.

    Hitler was rather crap at the business of running Germany, and not much a general either. He was disorganized and a bit mad and really, it seems as though his cabinet spent more time going around him than through him.

    No doubt Hitler hated the Jews and various other types of people and was more than happy to see a plan to have them killed, but whether he even had a big hand in designing the Final Solution is still an open question. We do know with fair certainty that he didn't go into it with any kind of genocidal plan. And to all appearances, it wasn't initially put together as a plan at all -- it sort of slowly came together, piece by piece.

    I think Hitler was probably too incompetent to be the main source of deed behind Nazi Germany. I think the likes of say, Goebbels or Himmler is a much more likely main force. It's a bit of a shame that the memorability of Hitler has overshadowed that, and that few people know their names and the kinds of things they did.
    Assassination really isn't the best way to bring down a "regime," or a political movement, because both of these things tend to be larger than just one man.

    In point of fact, the man up top is often little more than a charismatic figurehead for the bureaucratic and ideological machinery underneath. What's worse, killing that figurehead can have a tendency to turn them into a martyr, and lend further credence to the ideas they represented in life.

    Just look at what happened after Julius Caesar's assassination, for instance, or Mahatma Ghandi's. Even without the man, their ideas were powerful and deeply rooted enough to reassert themselves. If anything, these assassinations backfired on the people who planned them, and they did so in rather spectacular fashion.

    At the end of the day, assassination is best used as a means of eliminating people who are primarily dangerous on an individual basis, or as a means of denying the enemy access to certain individuals with skill sets and knowledge which could potentially be used against you. If you want to take down the enemy itself, you're going to have to resort to more forceful and all-encompassing measures.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Assassination really isn't the best way to bring down a "regime," or a political movement, because both of these things tend to be larger than just one man.

    In point of fact, the man up top is often little more than a charismatic figurehead for the bureaucratic and ideological machinery underneath. What's worse, killing that figurehead can have a tendency to turn them into a martyr, and lend further credence to the ideas they represented in life.

    Just look at what happened after Julius Caesar's assassination, for instance, or Mahatma Ghandi's. Even without the man, their ideas were powerful and deeply rooted enough to reassert themselves. If anything, these assassinations backfired on the people who planned them, and they did so in rather spectacular fashion.

    At the end of the day, assassination is best reserved for people who are primarily dangerous on an individual basis, or as a means of denying the enemy access to certain individuals with skill sets or knowledge which could potentially be used against you. If want to take down the enemy itself, you're going to have to opt for a more forceful approach.


    Exactly right, and why war is more "popular" than assassination.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Assassination really isn't the best way to bring down a "regime," or a political movement, because both of these things tend to be larger than just one man.

    In point of fact, the man up top is often little more than a charismatic figurehead for the bureaucratic and ideological machinery underneath. What's worse, killing that figurehead can have a tendency to turn them into a martyr, and lend further credence to the ideas they represented in life.

    Just look at what happened after Julius Caesar's assassination, for instance, or Mahatma Ghandi's. Even without the man, their ideas were powerful and deeply rooted enough to reassert themselves. If anything, these assassinations backfired on the people who planned them, and they did so in rather spectacular fashion.

    At the end of the day, assassination is best reserved for people who are primarily dangerous on an individual basis, or as a means of denying the enemy access to certain individuals with skill sets or knowledge which could potentially be used against you. If want to take down the enemy itself, you're going to have to opt for a more forceful approach.
    Yeah. I think what probably would have happened, had Hitler been assassinated, is simply that he'd become a martyr figure. The people who seem to have been the most instrumental in organizing the Holocaust would still be there, using his death to fan the fire of public support.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yeah. I think what probably would have happened, had Hitler been assassinated, is simply that he'd become a martyr figure. The people who seem to have been the most instrumental in organizing the Holocaust would still be there, using his death to fan the fire of public support.
    A good example of this was Martin Luther King as well. Before his death he had largely been marginalized for coming out against the Vietnam War, but after his death he became a powerful symbol.

    Boondocks had an excellent episode (you can watch it on Netflix) on a parallel history of MLK if he had survived his assassination.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    A good example of this was Martin Luther King as well. Before his death he had largely been marginalized for coming out against the Vietnam War, but after his death he became a powerful symbol.

    Boondocks had an excellent episode (you can watch it on Netflix) on a parallel history of MLK if he had survived his assassination.
    That sounds very interesting. I'll have to look that up.

    The martyr gig works both ways. I wish humans were better at finding motivation without killing people, or waiting for someone else to be killed.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    That sounds very interesting. I'll have to look that up.

    The martyr gig works both ways. I wish humans were better at finding motivation without killing people, or waiting for someone else to be killed.
    Well, it's an animated comedy, so don't expect it to be too academic. But it's definitely clever.

    People seem to be strangely unassailable in death (except for the cartoonishly evil examples, of course).

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, it's an animated comedy, so don't expect it to be too academic. But it's definitely clever.
    Well, alternate reality theory never is, simply by definition. But sometimes it raises good questions.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeAndMirrors View Post
    Yeah. I think what probably would have happened, had Hitler been assassinated, is simply that he'd become a martyr figure. The people who seem to have been the most instrumental in organizing the Holocaust would still be there, using his death to fan the fire of public support.
    In all likelihood, yes.

    If you were going to kill Hitler at all, it'd have to very early in his career. Frankly, even then, it's still entirely possible that he might have become a martyr, or that the Nazis simply would have found someone else to spread their message.

    I mean... Honestly, the idea of assassinating a political leader to "silence" their ideas is kind of bunk in general. If you want to discredit a certain ideology, there are simply better ways to do it.
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