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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    If someone assassinated Hitler before he fully implemented his agenda the world would have been a lot better off IMO. What about you, is assassination ever okay?


    February 1933
    The German Reichstag is destroyed by fire. The plot and execution is almost certainly due to the Nazis but they point the finger at the communists and trigger a General Election.


    March 1933
    The Enabling Act passed—powers of legislation pass to Hitler’s cabinet for four years, making him virtual dictator.

    He proclaims the Nazi Party is the only political party permitted in Germany. All other parties and trade unions are disbanded. Individual German states lose any autonomous powers, while Nazi officials become state governors.


    April 1933
    Communist party banned.


    May 1933
    Socialists, Trade Unions and strikes banned.


    October 1933
    Hitler withdraws from the League of Nations. In the following months, he trebles the size of the German Army and ignores the arms restrictions imposed by the Treaty of Versailles.


    June 1934
    Night of the Long Knives. Hitler crushes all opposition within his own party—thus eliminating any of his rivals.


    July 1934
    After the death of President Hindenburg, Hitler becomes “Fuehrer and Reich Chancellor” and abolishes the title of President.


    1935
    Hitler re-arms Germany with the aim of undoing the Treaty of Versailles and uniting all the German peoples. Military conscription is introduced.


    March 1938
    The Austrian Chancellor, leader of the Austrian Nazi Party, invites the German army to occupy Austria and proclaim a union with Germany.
    Hitler was just another head of state up until he started entering other countries; regardless of what he was he doing in Germany... The Polish or Russian governments could have assinated him, but they didn't. Nobody assinated Hussein or any other dictator in the ME either. Until GW Bush. These ISIS people are not heads of state of any kind, so they can go.
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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    *sigh* The years leading up to that. Late 20s, up to 1932. The Nazis made fairly steady gains in the Reichstag in popular elections and that helped set the scenario that led to Hitler's appointment. Without said gains in the Reichstag, Hitler never would have been appointed.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    *sigh* The years leading up to that. Late 20s, up to 1932. The Nazis made fairly steady gains in the Reichstag in popular elections and that helped set the scenario that led to Hitler's appointment. Without said gains in the Reichstag, Hitler never would have been appointed.
    For the life of me I can't figure out what your point is. "Fairly steady gains" ≠ taking power democratically.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    For the life of me I can't figure out what your point is. "Fairly steady gains" ≠ taking power democratically.
    I can tell. You seem focused on a single event and unwilling to look in other directions.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I can tell. You seem focused on a single event and unwilling to look in other directions.
    Well how far back in the "other direction" do I have to go? To when Hitler was legitimately elected town councilman?

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well how far back in the "other direction" do I have to go? To when Hitler was legitimately elected town councilman?
    Between his release from prison up to the 1932 elections. That's when he modified his strategies to use legitimate avenues. Note that I said *avenues*, not tactics. His tactics were still underhanded, at the best, but gaining members in the Reichstag gave his party a "legitimacy" (note the quote marks) and level of participation on the national political stage that it had so far been unable to gain with common thug tactics.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    If I wanted to ask at what point would it be OK to assassinate a US pres in general or Obama in particular then I would have started one precisely on that subject and I wonder if you got all upset over the George Bush assassination film. Surly it was discussed in here and I bet you defended it. Now in a fit of paranoia you connect dots that are not there and have a panic attack over Obama being compared to Hitler and a subsequent post asking if Hitler should have been assassinated.

    "George Bush assassination film wins top award"

    George Bush assassination film wins top award | Daily Mail Online
    Your red herring is fooling nobody. Not only has the purpose of your threads been obvious to anyone who has been watching your posting history, the fact that you're trying to hide it just shows how little integrity you have. Now, here are my comments on both the movie, effigies and trying to kill a US president:

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    It was wrong when they were burning effigies of Bush. It's wrong now. Disagreements with the President do not warrant physical attacks on them.
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    I refuse to believe that. I see effigies as representation of a person. Setting it on fire clearly shows your feelings towards that person. It shows to me that you are to some extent calling for the death of a president.
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    My thoughts :

    Bush is an prick. He's probably the worst president I'll ever get to see short of the president who decides it'll be a good idea to use nukes again. He's a guy who I'd probably have a beer with but wouldn't let him try to fix a working clock. Yes I'm serious. He's a guy who's jokes have annoyed me as a liberal. He's a guy who has sent my family members to fight a war I don't believe in. I don't like him.

    However, he is still the President of what is still the most powerful country in the world. He's been the most protected man for the last 8 years for a reason. He's the CinC of our military. He's a guy who aside from all his faults doesn't deserve to be disrespected at least in such a classless manner. I don't even think he needs to be disrespected to show disagreement with him.

    We do not live in a time where dissent needs to be shown as physical savagery. If this same journalist had voiced his dissent at Bush through his work then I'd be behind him 100% but he didn't. He chose a road where his motives won't be remembered. All people will remember is that he threw a shoe. Not caring about why. I don't know why Sirdan Sirdan shot Kennedy. I don't know why Lennon's killer pulled the trigger. I don't know why some guy threw a pie at Bill Gates. I just know they did it. They didn't get their message across. All they did was put their names in the headlines long enough for people to remember them and not their motives.
    Now, what that said. Keep pretending people don't see the goals of your threads. You're fooling absolutely nobody.
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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    The issue that I have in trying to justify assassinating any political figure is that it's easy to make a case for it in hind sight. A Hitler comes to mind, as the first obvious example. But, the human species is too prone to taking a mile when given an inch, and I fear assassination would be too convenient if we were able to rationalize it away so easily.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Gathomas88 View Post
    Eh. As far as I'm concerned, it's pretty much always fair game if the ends justify the means.

    After all, just because we refrain from taking out certain targets doesn't mean that everyone else will. Some of those people might be our rivals, and actively working against us.

    I frankly wish that we'd be adopt a more "Israeli" approach, and be more active in taking out the key scientists involved in Iran or North Korea's nuclear programs. It'd solve a lot of problems.
    And create a lot more.


    Let's walk down that path. First question to answer...would our assassination of iranian nuclear scientists be sanctioned by the UN? Problem one, making it policy for the international peace keeper. Again, using assassination as a tool to bow others to our way of thinking is akin to terrorism, and the best they can ever achieve is forced peace. If we act without consideration to the UN, we create distrust in others. Remember the Snowden spy deal? That was nothing. Just a few tapped phone calls of foreign dignitaries. Imagine a few CAPPED foreign dignitaries. I know, you're not in trouble till you get caught. Well, we have a bad habit of getting caught. I could provide a list, but I doubt it's necessary. AND, in the event that the same happens to us, we have lost most support in bringing the assassinating perps to justice, since we would be "getting a dose of our own medicine", as far as the rest of the world is concerned.

    But let's go down the other path, the one in which we somehow convince the UN that this is a good idea. Well, lol, now we've just empowered a lot of other countries with the same...discretion.

    I agree, in most cases, the ends justifies the means.

    This is not a means that would lead to a good end. Look at how badly our CIA's various assassination attempts over the years have blown up in our faces. Sure, I'll wager they have success stories, too. But ultimately, IMO, there are better ways than assassination to prevent the rise of a despot, or nuclear war, etc.
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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Between his release from prison up to the 1932 elections. That's when he modified his strategies to use legitimate avenues. Note that I said *avenues*, not tactics. His tactics were still underhanded, at the best, but gaining members in the Reichstag gave his party a "legitimacy" (note the quote marks) and level of participation on the national political stage that it had so far been unable to gain with common thug tactics.
    The discussion was how Hitler became chancellor and ultimately dictator, and the idea that he was somehow elected to these positions. You were the first to bring up anything before that.

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