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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    That's actually not true. He was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg. In 1932 Hitler lost to Hindenburg.
    Right, but whether he elected (as many think) or appointed, that aspect is so misunderstood and so overplayed. Hitler gaining power through legitimate avenues was not his first choice, it was merely a calculated means to an end.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    I will research that.
    Good, you'll find that they lost the initial election in 1932, but "won" after the Reichstag fire when most of the opposition were outlawed and barred from the elections. It would be like if a Republican won the Presidency after successfully outlawing all left-leaning parties. Nobody would argue that the result was the outcome of a democratic election.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    Right, but whether he elected (as many think) or appointed, that aspect is so misunderstood and so overplayed. Hitler gaining power through legitimate avenues was not his first choice, it was merely a calculated means to an end.
    There was nothing kosher about Hitler's rise to power.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    People have a love affair with the notion that if the head falls, the body will die, like in science fiction movies where every time the mother ship is destroyed all the other ships will be rendered inactive, kill the head vampire and the other vampires die or turn back to human, blow up the Death Star and the Empire crumbles, kill the Witch and Oz is saved. And it's almost certainly the same mentality that concludes that if you assassinate a head of state then his entire command structure, line of succession and ideology all go with him. Has it actually happened this way in history? I'm sure, but the message you should have gotten from this thread is that a command structure, line of succession and ideology almost always prop up that head of state, and the murder of that leader usually a)solves nothing, b)creates a power vacuum resulting in more chaos, or c)creates a martyr, which of all the outcomes can potentially be the worst possible thing for your cause. Are you so certain you would want Obama...I'm sorry, I mean Hitler...to be martyred?
    First impeachment. Then conviction and removal from office. Then arrest him for treason, for waging war openly and brazenly against the American citizen, the nation and the Constitution. Once convicted seek the death penalty in the punishment phase.

    He will still be a martyr to the left even if he spends the rest of his life in prison. When a leader voids the Constitution that leader must be dealt with, legally, not by murdering him.

    JFK was not a very good president. Being murdered in office was the best thing for his legacy that could have ever happened to him. At least two generations believed the Camelot myths. Imagine the Hope and Change myths that would grow around our first really Red president were he to be murdered in office. No thanks.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    There was nothing kosher about Hitler's rise to power.
    That's not what I said.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    First impeachment. Then conviction and removal from office. Then arrest him for treason, for waging war openly and brazenly against the American citizen, the nation and the Constitution. Once convicted seek the death penalty in the punishment phase.
    Hoooooookay. [backs away slowly and carefully]

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    That's not what I said.
    I meant that there were no "legitimate avenues" to his rise to power.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Neither the Nazis nor Hitler were elected democratically. That they were is a myth.
    Seems like he was elected pres but then went on to seize ever more power.
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    "On this day in 1934, Adolf Hitler, already chancellor, is also elected president of Germany in an unprecedented consolidation of power in the short history of the republic."
    Adolf Hitler becomes president of Germany — History.com This Day in History — 8/19/1934

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by lifeisshort View Post
    Seems like he was elected pres but then went on to seize ever more power.
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    "On this day in 1934, Adolf Hitler, already chancellor, is also elected president of Germany in an unprecedented consolidation of power in the short history of the republic."
    Adolf Hitler becomes president of Germany — History.com This Day in History — 8/19/1934
    Anything that happened after the Reichstag fire especially doesn't count. Research that.

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    Re: Is assasination ever called for

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I meant that there were no "legitimate avenues" to his rise to power.
    He used the electoral process to gain seats/power in the Reichstag, and eventually to set himself in a position to be appointed. His underlying tactics in gaining popularity to secure votes were often criminal, but using the electoral process in and of itself was legit.
    If you claim sexual harassment to be wrong, yet you defend anyone on your side for any reason,
    then you are a hypocrite and everything you say on the matter is just babble.

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