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    Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Without a doubt its perfectly perfectly legal.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    I don't know. The way I understand Congress passed the law that Reagan signed and Bush's expanded congressional intent. Obama's apparently is in defiance of congressional intent. SO they are not the same as under each president the situations and circumstance were different.

    I will just wait until the President does whatever he does to determine whether I will support him, oppose him or be indifferent to the entire mess.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    IN regards to which executive order?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    I'm confused - do you really mean "righting" laws, as in correcting errors/omissions? - or do you mean "writing" laws, as in legislating from the Oval Office?

    There is an important difference, at least in my view.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    As I posted previously, if it's unclear to the SCOTUS that it's most certainly within the law, and, the Congress is greatly opposed to it, the SCOTUS will overturn it.

    The SCOTUS has overturned EOs in the past for these reasons.

    Clearly, without question, suspending sentence (amnesty) is a form of pardon .. and pardon does not come under the heading of executive order.

    If Obama attempts to make his pardon an executive order, he is in violation of presidential powers, and the SCOTUS will most rightly reject it.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    My understanding is that Reagan and Bush worked with congress to correct flaws which adversely affected families that were granted amnesty by congress in 1986. Obama has never worked with congress. He's a terrible president.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Without a doubt its perfectly perfectly legal.


    But while presidents unquestionably have the power to exercise immigration enforcement discretion in order to further foreign policy or humanitarian goals, what they do not have the power to do is functionally rewrite U.S. immigration law, which is exactly what Obama's impending executive action on immigration would do.

    The past incidents listed above were all in response to specific humanitarian crises or foreign policy events. They all were narrowly tailored to help specific subsets of immigrants. Obama's impending executive action is the exact opposite. He is planning on giving work permits, Social Security numbers, and drivers licenses to as many as 8 million illegal immigrants. This is not narrow humanitarian relief. This is a flagrant attempt to get around Congress's exclusive Article I power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization."

    Obama is the first president in the history of the United States to abuse his executive prosecutorial discretion powers in this manner. Because no president has abused this power on this scale before, there is no case law that details the scope of a president's prosecutorial discretion. But just because the case law isn't there yet, doesn't mean there are no limits to Obama's power......snip~

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I don't know. The way I understand Congress passed the law that Reagan signed and Bush's expanded congressional intent. Obama's apparently is in defiance of congressional intent. SO they are not the same as under each president the situations and circumstance were different.

    I will just wait until the President does whatever he does to determine whether I will support him, oppose him or be indifferent to the entire mess.
    how is taking actions that laws passed by congress allow him to take demonstrate a "defiance of congressional intent"?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Has he made the announcement yet? Have the details been released?

    I guess I missed that if he has.


    I disagree with the very principle of what is proposed but disagreeing is one thing and illegal is quite another. Let me see the details and then I'll let you know if I think it's illegal.

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