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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%

  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Total voters
    74
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shrubnose said:
You've got it backwards. The G-nO-P has never worked with Obama since he was 1st elected to the White House.

I predict that the GOP will have no success overturning any of Obama's actions and their efforts to do so will hurt the GOP in future elections.
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Sorry, you are mistaken. When Bush was elected, if you will remember, he tried to become close friends with Teddy Kennedy. He had him to the White House for bowling and movies. Then Kennedy stabbed him in the back. Obama never made that effort with Democrats, let alone Republicans. His first major legislative push was Obamacare. Please tell me how to use bi partisan and Obamacare in a sentence that makes just a little bit of sense. Certainly Republicans didn't support Obama's bad idea, which by the way were legion. Rush Limbaugh said it best when he said that he hoped Obama would fail. Obama's failure is success for America, although unfortunately he has been too successful in much of his agenda.
 
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Hatuey said:
Liberals said the same thing about Bush. So the pendulum swings.
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Usually the pendulum swings back and forth. The partisanship of the Bush administration has intensified under Obama.
 
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ReverendHellh0und said:
Another point is that he has a new congress, the honest thing to do would have been to wait.


He's a douchebag, and an authoritarian who shat upon the constitution.
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It's not like Obama didn't receive a clear message regarding his policies from the will of the people during the recent election cycle.

He has no interest in working with anyone, just furthering his own agenda.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064007955 said:
It's not like Obama didn't receive a clear message regarding his policies from the will of the people during the recent election cycle.

He has no interest in working with anyone, just furthering his own agenda.
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Greetings, Mo. :2wave:

Obama promised as a candidate running for President in 2008 to have an immigration bill during his first year in office and to move forward on it quickly. He never kept that promise to the Latino community, even though both the House and Senate were Dem controlled. He concentrated on Obamacare instead. Now he is making new promises to them, but the House and Senate will be Repub controlled. I wonder how many will believe him this time around?

On children immigrants, he referred to them as a "brief spike." In actual fact, the number of unaccompanied children has been on the rise since the 2011 budget year. That year, about 16,000 children were found crossing the border alone. In 2012 the Border Patrol reported more than 24,000, and more than 38,800 in 2013. So far this budget year, more than 68,361 were apprehended. That's not a "brief spike" by anyone's understanding! Does this mean that any parents that care about their children will soon be following them? It is beyond my understanding how they could allow their children, some very young, to go in the first place! We watch our children with a hawk eye at a local playground! Sheesh!
 
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matchlight said:
I hope everyone is taking notice of the posters who support this attack on the foundations of the United States. I don't give a damn what immigration policy they think should be followed. I don't give a damn who their hearts bleed for. I don't give a damn how nice and reasonable they think this man was in his speech. This is about something much more basic.

Either we are dedicated to living under the authority of our Constitution and the rule of law, or we can no longer seriously call this a free country. The sickening fact is that the U.S. now seems to be infested by millions of drones who not only refuse to condemn an open act of tyranny by a President of the United States, but approve of it. This damned shameless liar himself has been saying dozens of times, for years, that he had no authority to do the very thing he has just done.
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Tyranny? What exactly did he do to cause such consternation?? Did he give blanket amnesty to anyone? All he did was deferr deportation of some undocumented people, which is well within his authority, as he is the one that has them deported. This is a temporary measure, which will save some parents from being snatched away from their children.
 
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sawdust said:
It takes two to tango and Obama is the most partisan president in my memory and has created the most divided government in history.
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That is such a dishonest statement. It is just the opposite and everyone is aware of that.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064007955 said:
It's not like Obama didn't receive a clear message regarding his policies from the will of the people during the recent election cycle.

He has no interest in working with anyone, just furthering his own agenda.
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I think you mean "the will of the 20% of the population that voted"
 
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sawdust said:
Plenty of presidents have worked with congress. This president hasn't tried to work with congress. Democrats passed Obamacare on a strictly partisan vote and ever since, obama has become the my way or the highway president. His idea of negotiating with congress is to have them agree with him. That's not how negotiations work. Obama lacked executive experience when he was elected and he doesn't understand building consensus. He just tries to ram crap down our throats like he did last night. This time though instead of not working with congress, he didn't work with the American people.
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This Congress has refused to work with this President on most issues and, unfortunately, will continue to do so.
 
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tres borrachos said:
That's nice to know. But I'm curious about the evolution on Obama's own opinion on it. He said for years that it isn't "perfectly legal".

Is this your opinion as a Constitutional scholar? And why do you know more about the Constitution than the guy who taught Constitutional law did for so long?
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He didn't DO anything. All he did was defer deportation for a short period of time.
 
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MMC said:
Yes.....that's what he did.

Yes it is nice, as it will lead to one of the arguments against.

Congress gave power to the office of Presidency over Humanitarian relief with any emergency and the same with Foreign Policy.

Yes it already pointed out that it is a Constitutional argument. Though do try and keep up with what News Sources are saying along with the Constitutional Attorneys.
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As the President is the one who has undocumented people deported, he is certainly the one who can defer such deportations.
 
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Mycroft said:
So what are you talking about here? The past? The present? Or..."ever".
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The present Congress is the present Congress and the last Congress is the past Congress. Got it?
 
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polgara said:
Greetings, Mo. :2wave:

Obama promised as a candidate running for President in 2008 to have an immigration bill during his first year in office and to move forward on it quickly. He never kept that promise to the Latino community, even though both the House and Senate were Dem controlled. He concentrated on Obamacare instead. Now he is making new promises to them, but the House and Senate will be Repub controlled. I wonder how many will believe him this time around?

On children immigrants, he referred to them as a "brief spike." In actual fact, the number of unaccompanied children has been on the rise since the 2011 budget year. That year, about 16,000 children were found crossing the border alone. In 2012 the Border Patrol reported more than 24,000, and more than 38,800 in 2013. So far this budget year, more than 68,361 were apprehended. That's not a "brief spike" by anyone's understanding! Does this mean that any parents that care about their children will soon be following them? It is beyond my understanding how they could allow their children, some very young, to go in the first place! We watch our children with a hawk eye at a local playground! Sheesh!
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Greetings, Miss P. :2wave:

Yes, Obama blames congress for his shortcomings (lies) again.

With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed ….

There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.”

His Own Words: Obama Said He Doesn't Have Authority For Executive Amnesty 22 Times - Katie Pavlich
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And the dems were so sure Romney was the flip-flopper.
 
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Mycroft said:
Having been there...done that...I feel your pain.

You know, that would make a great sig-line for you.
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That "is" a good idea. Did you quit? even with a patch on my left arm, an e-cig in my right hand and gum in my mouth, I am going crazy.. I have gone from 1-1/2 packs down to half a pack and I can't seem to go any further..very frustrating!
 
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Its nice to see Obama grow a little bit of a spine and finally stand up to the GOP and get something done. Boehner and the house republicans remind me of Lucy in the peanuts holding the football and trying to lure Obama to come play nice with them.....only the yank the football away. Anyone who believes the GOP is serious about trying to work to solve the problems of this country is a fool. Republicans still have only 1 game plan....oppose everything and anything that Obama does. They didn't become the "party of No" for no reason.
 
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Mycroft said:
I posted this video earlier in this thread...maybe you didn't see it. You would do well for yourself to watch it.





Nowhere does he mention "amnesty"...but he does say this: "With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that's just not the case."

And yet...that's exactly what he did last night.
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I would say that he did not suspend deportations, he only deferred them. Sounds like a case of semantics, but suspend and defer may have different meanings depending on the issue.
 
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MMC said:
Sure ignore the that cost that BO is adding to the Government......including the manhours.
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What cost? The cost for the background check is on the immigrant.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Some things he did seem within his authority. I'm not clear on one particular point. If they are undocumented, how can they prove they have been here 5 years?
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Easily. Their children's birth certificate for one.
 
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AliHajiSheik said:
Some things he did seem within his authority. I'm not clear on one particular point. If they are undocumented, how can they prove they have been here 5 years?
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Easily. Present their child's U.S. Birth Certificate for one.
 
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sangha said:
I think you mean "the will of the 20% of the population that voted"
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Americans not showing up at the polls exerted their will, which spoke volumes. It showed there is nothing to support about the democrat agenda.

Those who did show up overwhelmingly elected a sea of red in the US Senate, US House, state governors, and state legislatures all across the country. :thumbs:
 
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ocean515 said:
The word on the street here in SoCal is the cottage industry in fraudulent ID's will be shifting over to inventing documents that will establish the "residency" requirements.

I would suspect it will eventually be "learned" that there have been no new arrivals in the last 5 years, and every single illegal alien has been here since at least 2008.
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Not every undocumented person in the U.S. lives in So.Cal.!
 
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Misterveritis said:
Are you saying you prefer tyranny to self government?

This is how nations die.
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You haven't the slightest idea what you're talking about. Mark Levin will not help you.
 
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Juanita said:
That "is" a good idea. Did you quit? even with a patch on my left arm, an e-cig in my right hand and gum in my mouth, I am going crazy.. I have gone from 1-1/2 packs down to half a pack and I can't seem to go any further..very frustrating!
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I quit over 20 years ago. Yeah...the hardest thing I ever did. Even harder than quiting pot in 1980. I went cold turkey...no aids. For sure, that's not for everyone but that was the best way for me. After a month, I was good to go.

Good luck and don't give up.
 
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Juanita said:
The present Congress is the present Congress and the last Congress is the past Congress. Got it?
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LOL!!

Okay...I got it. "ever" just means the current group.

So...how do you think the next Congress is going to treat him?
 
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