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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%

  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%

  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%

  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%
  • Total voters
    74
Re: Obama's Executive Order

Misterveritis said:
In other words the Establishment Republicans will do nothing and the tyranny will grow.
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Republican Texas Congressman Michael McCaul, who will serve as the new chairman for the House Homeland Security, warns Obama's action is a threat to American democracy and vows to use his new position to stop the "unconstitutional action."

As chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security, I will use every tool at my disposal to stop the president’s unconstitutional actions from being implemented.”.....snip~

Obama: My Executive Action Isn't Amnesty and It's Lawful - Katie Pavlich
 
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jet57 said:
I think that Obama is doing nothing that hasn't been done by a host of presidents long before him. Immigration is part of his agenda; we knew that, adn he is doing everything within his power to get the door open: somebody's gotta start somewhere. He's forcing a jump ball, and for that I applaud him.
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Are you saying you prefer tyranny to self government?

This is how nations die.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Are you saying you prefer tyranny to self government?

This is how nations die.
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hes saying, i don't care what the Constitution says, other Presidents have violated the Constitution, so i don't care if Obama violates it either as long as his agenda, and the things i want done, ...get done.
 
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Mycroft said:
Okay, sangha...since you've injected yourself into this mini-discussion, I'll ask you, too. Do you condone Obama's lying?
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Politicians lie. Get over it

As far as my opinion, I am OK with a politician lying when it results in actions that I believe are good for the nation
 
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NIMBY said:
How much will it cost without doing anything ?
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This will cost the nation Nimby. It will cost you personally one way or another. This diminishes the nation. The rule of law is gone. The Constitution was voided. The chief executive is a lawless thug. The Congress is weak and effeminate.

If you work your wages were suppressed. We have lost our sovereignty. We are poised to lose our culture and our language.

I understand why liberals cheer. Everything you want will happen. In a decade the nation will be solidly one party ruled. Every liberal dream will come true. The wealthy who can leave will do so. You will have the socialism you desire.

Everyone not in the ruling class will be equal in their misery.

Hooray for your side.

Arm up.
 
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sangha said:
Politicians lie. Get over it

As far as my opinion, I am OK with a politician lying when it results in actions that I believe are good for the nation
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Thank you.

Let it be known that sangha believes the ends justify the means...as long as he agrees with those ends.
 
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Misterveritis said:
How much does it cost the American citizens?

This will cost us the nation.
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But you missed the point that not deporting immigrants can't be defunded because the govt doesn't have to spend any money to not deport them
 
Re: Obama's Executive Order

sangha said:
Politicians lie. Get over it

As far as my opinion, I am OK with a politician lying when it results in actions that I believe are good for the nation
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so when they lie and do things you don't think are good for the nation, ...do you complain about it?
 
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MMC said:
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Republican Texas Congressman Michael McCaul, who will serve as the new chairman for the House Homeland Security, warns Obama's action is a threat to American democracy and vows to use his new position to stop the "unconstitutional action."

As chairman of the Committee on Homeland Security, I will use every tool at my disposal to stop the president’s unconstitutional actions from being implemented.”.....snip~

Obama: My Executive Action Isn't Amnesty and It's Lawful - Katie Pavlich
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Is he making the case for impeachment? If not he is posturing and is part of the problem.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
some people believe SOMEHOW, that federal law overrides constitutional law....which amounts to a poor education.
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Indoctrinating two generations of Americans about the supposed evils of their country in public schools, while failing to teach them much else, has consequences. This country is now infested with millions of drones who don't understand even basic civics, and could not care less. And a disproportionate share of them don't like much about America, even though they choose to take up space here. These types played their part in making this thoroughly undemocratic, un-American man President. They don't care any more about the United States, its traditions, or its Constitution than he does--he is a President for our time.
 
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sangha said:
But you missed the point that not deporting immigrants can't be defunded because the govt doesn't have to spend any money to not deport them
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Defunding the left means far more than not funding to provide millions of green cards. I want the EPA to die on the vine. I want the Education department to die. I want white house travel curtailed. I want NPR defunded. I want every single leftist program that the Congress can defund to be defunded.

I want the Congress to refuse to sit any of Obama's appointees. I want to seed the judiciary defunded, dissolved and the liberal judges thrown out.

This is war. I prefer it stay a war of non-lethal actions for as long as possible.
 
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Mycroft said:
Thank you.

Let it be known that sangha believes the ends justify the means...as long as he agrees with those ends.
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IOW, you want it known that you will also lie (in this case about what I said) when it suits your desired ends.

Thanks for confirming that my position is the correct one.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
so when they lie and do things you don't think are good for the nation, ...do you complain about it?
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Yes, I do.

But my arguments are usually based on the harm that's being done to the nation, and not the fact that a politician lied.
 
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Mycroft said:
Thank you.

Let it be known that sangha believes the ends justify the means...as long as he agrees with those ends.
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Don't most of Mr. Obama's supporters believe that? It would be odd if they didn't, since Obama himself so clearly believes it.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Obama baited them. They are foolishly taking the bait.

It's like watching a bunch of kids.
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Are you another who foolishly believes the way to stop a tyrant is to do nothing?

Impeach the Tyrant. Convict the Tyrant. Throw the Tyrant out of office. Then arrest him and try him for treason, for waging war against the American citizen. Treason deserves capital punishment. But a life in jail for the traitor would be acceptable.

Then go after all who aided and abetted his actions.
 
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Misterveritis said:
Defunding the left means far more than not funding to provide millions of green cards. I want the EPA to die on the vine. I want the Education department to die. I want white house travel curtailed. I want NPR defunded. I want every single leftist program that the Congress can defund to be defunded.

I want the Congress to refuse to sit any of Obama's appointees. I want to seed the judiciary defunded, dissolved and the liberal judges thrown out.

This is war. I prefer it stay a war of non-lethal actions for as long as possible.
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And I want to see the repubs try to do all of those things.

because it really worked out so well for them the last two times they tried that
 
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sangha said:
IOW, you want it known that you will also lie (in this case about what I said) when it suits your desired ends.

Thanks for confirming that my position is the correct one.
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Oh...believe me, I don't like to lie. So please explain how what I said differs from what you said.
 
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sangha said:
But you missed the point that not deporting immigrants can't be defunded because the govt doesn't have to spend any money to not deport them
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Not so, unless they simply stop doing anything. The problem with defining "good" illegal aliens is that it still requires effort (expense) to differentiate them from "not so good" illegal aliens. The Obama plan to give them "okey dokey" temporary status still requires identification and background checking and some sort of pass (status ID?) to prevent the next ICE agent from repeating that time wasting.
 
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