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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%

  • Total voters
    74
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It's not a bad plan, though the execution would have been better had it been with congress. The thing is, they refuse to work to fixing this system and add the GOP's hate for Obama to that. And it would be fiscally stupid to go about deporting millions of people, it'd be a waste of resources, ya know, tax payer dollars. Still, it can definitely be seen as a slap in the face to legal immigrant who waited their turns and others that still can't get in even though they're an ideal candidate for it. My parents did it legally, neither are fans of illegal immigrants. A very broken system. This is a product of those in government not getting their crap together and getting stuff done, the political back and forth isn't good for this nation. We need to streamline and cheapen legal immigration while coming down hard on illegal immigrants crossing the border. A hot mess.
 
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It's not. The law allows the president to do that.

Specifically, INA § 212(d)(5) and 8 U.S.C. § 182(d)(5)

Both refer to granting parole for purposes of applying for admission, not work permits.
 
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I suppose we'll have to wait for the fine print, but there has been no indication of what "temporary" means. The courts are usually not shy about ruling on issues where obvious intent is attempted to be hidden by cute phrases and words.

For example, the argument the President included in his remarks suggested that it is unreasonable to execute a mass deportation of millions of illegal aliens at one time. However, this word "temporary" suggests there will be a point in time in the future when the "waiver" will expire. Are there to be mass deportations then?

While the vagueness may be cleared up in the actual hard copy EO, as it stands right now, the President has indeed granted amnesty, since there is nothing other than the word "temporary" standing between now, and eternity.

There is no vagueness.

The president is granting certain qualified immigrants the temporary right to remain in the US. In this context, temporary means the right can be revoked at any time, by either the president or congress.
 
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One of my questions as well, and I think it works like this: "I has been here five years."

The word on the street here in SoCal is the cottage industry in fraudulent ID's will be shifting over to inventing documents that will establish the "residency" requirements.

I would suspect it will eventually be "learned" that there have been no new arrivals in the last 5 years, and every single illegal alien has been here since at least 2008.
 
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The law allows him to do that

http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=75

And this is not amnesty. He is merely deferring deportations and granting some immgrants the legal right to remain in the US temporarily. When I asked for something he is doing that is illegal, I meant "something he is *actually* doing" and not "some imaginary fiction some wingnut on the right is blathering about"



Its Illegal......the difference is. The Other EO's by other Presidents were attached to Amendments by Congress with Legislation.

BO is not adding an EO to any Legislation. He is attempting to write his Own bill.

Also he is providing Soc Security cards. That's Taxation for many.....and without representation.
 
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There is no vagueness.

The president is granting certain qualified immigrants the temporary right to remain in the US. In this context, temporary means the right can be revoked at any time, by either the president or congress.

Please precisely define the length of time implied by his word, "temporary".
 
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The word on the street here in SoCal is the cottage industry in fraudulent ID's will be shifting over to inventing documents that will establish the "residency" requirements.

I would suspect it will eventually be "learned" that there have been no new arrivals in the last 5 years, and every single illegal alien has been here at least since at least 2008.

Oh, you know it Ocean. We can document then that Obama's border security has been outstanding, and that those videos of people streaming in here from trains were actually people returning from a visit to their summer homes.
 
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Perhaps you can cut and paste here the particular part of that pdf that gives the President the authority to do what he did...because I don't see it.

And this is not amnesty. He is merely deferring deportations and granting some immgrants the legal right to remain in the US temporarily. When I asked for something he is doing that is illegal, I meant "something he is *actually* doing" and not "some imaginary fiction some wingnut on the right is blathering about"

I agree that Obama hasn't granted amnesty...in a technical sense...but what he's done is "effectively" amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.
 
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There is no vagueness.

The president is granting certain qualified immigrants the temporary right to remain in the US. In this context, temporary means the right can be revoked at any time, by either the president or congress.

What isn't talked about is the Ink in his pen.

In order for Congress to do it would have to become a law.
 
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Perhaps you can cut and paste here the particular part of that pdf that gives the President the authority to do what he did...because I don't see it.



I agree that Obama hasn't granted amnesty...in a technical sense...but what he's done is "effectively" amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.



Mornin Mycroft. :2wave: The Center for Immigration Studies is calling it Amnesty. Its a slap in the face to all who have followed the law and are being pushed to the back of the bus.
 
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I've been talking a lot here about Obama's spin to justify his illegal action...which is echoed by the Obamabots in this thread.

Here's another bit of spin that irritates the F***! out of me:

"And to those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill,"

Sorry, Obama, nothing in the Constitution says that Congress has to ask, "how high", when you say "jump". And there is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes you to "fix things" by changing established law.

Not to mention that the previous actions that Obama has taken WRT immigration and enforcement decisions has made it all the more difficult, if not impossible, for a bi-partisan supported immigration bill to pass congress. He's created the impossible situation, and then turns around and blames congress and the Republicans. Just more dishonesty from Obama. Nothing new here. :yawn: In fact, it's getting quite boring and predictable, this.

Interesting to note that this past history, no matter how recent, escapes the Obamabots and the Biased Lame Stream Media.
 
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Not to mention how we feel when they steal our jobs, our classrooms, living-space, road-space, etc. .. and then act all entitled when we call them on it!

By the way, enjoy my signature.

Think about it. The lower paying jobs that these immigrants are taking are the starter jobs that those starting their working careers need to get started.

I guess Obama must really hate America's youth.

First he dumps the vast majority of the ObamaCare costs on them, and then, does little more than increase the competition for the jobs they need to start their lives by adding what? 4-5m more people competing for the same jobs?

Yeah. Obama must really hate American's young people, and yet, he's also fooled them into voting him into office not only once, but twice. That's surely not going to just disappear in the coming years, as these people certainly are going to remember this.
 
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Think about it. The lower paying jobs that these immigrants are taking are the starter jobs that those starting their working careers need to get started.

I guess Obama must really hate America's youth.

First he dumps the vast majority of the ObamaCare costs on them, and then, does little more than increase the competition for the jobs they need to start their lives by adding what? 4-5m more people competing for the same jobs?

Yeah. Obama must really hate American's young people, and yet, he's also fooled them into voting him into office not only once, but twice. That's surely not going to just disappear in the coming years, as these people certainly are going to remember this.

No, he doesn't hate America's young people. He sees them as a resource. He wants to get them on the government entitlement roles early by making it as difficult as possible for them to make their own way in life...under their own terms...in accordance to their own desires and decisions.

He thinks that will make them beholden to him and the Democrats. More votes. And with all the millions of newly legalized illegal aliens to support him, it a two-fer win.

It's all political.
 
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8 C.F.R. § 274a.12(c)(1) does not refer to parole via the two laws you cited, which is the law that the author of link cited.

No, they do not explicitly refer to work authorizations, but they remove the "unauthorized alien" status from the immigrant which is what prevents them from getting work authorization.

8 C.F.R. § 274a.12(c)(1) explicitly states that "An alien whose enforced departure from the United States has been deferred in accordance with a directive from the President of the United States to the Secretary. Employment is authorized for the period of time and under the conditions established by the Secretary pursuant to the Presidential directive" is one of the "Classes of aliens authorized to accept employment."
 
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The House has been sitting on a Comprehensive Immigration Bill that the Senate passed a year and a half ago!

And Obama's actions since WRT immigration enforcement policies have made it next to impossible for a Republican to vote for it.

The congressional gridlock that he complains about can be traced back to his action. It's just that he blames Republicans, and the majority of the ill informed believe him.
 
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And Obama's actions since WRT immigration enforcement policies have made it next to impossible for a Republican to vote for it.

The congressional gridlock that he complains about can be traced back to his action. It's just that he blames Republicans, and the majority of the ill informed believe him.

Yup, the MSM has made sure of that.
 
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Perhaps you missed my question. Allow me to repeat it.

"Please precisely define the length of time implied by his word, "temporary"."

For clarification, "his" refers to the President, not the editor of a dictionary.

I heard your question

I ignored it because it is irrelevant. And your use of the word "his" is just as inaccurate as your use of the word temporary. The word temporary, in this context, is not the Presidents word; it's the law.
 
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No, he doesn't hate America's young people. He sees them as a resource. He wants to get them on the government entitlement roles early by making it as difficult as possible for them to make their own way in life...under their own terms...in accordance to their own desires and decisions.

He thinks that will make them beholden to him and the Democrats. More votes. And with all the millions of newly legalized illegal aliens to support him, it a two-fer win.

It's all political.


Here is some of what he has out.


White House Details on Anticipated Administrative Relief.....


Here are the 5 things that you should know about the President’s initiatives impacting undocumented immigrants in the US:

1. You must meet strict requirements to qualify for relief from deportation.Eligible immigrants will have the opportunity to request temporary relief from deportation and work authorization if they come forward and pass criminal and national security background checks, pay their taxes, pay a fee, and show that they are:

A parent of US citizens or lawful permanent residents on the date of the announcement, are not enforcement priorities and have been in the US since January 1, 2010, or An individual who arrived in the US before turning 16 years old and before January 1, 2010, regardless of how old they are today. Additionally, we are reducing the time that families are separated while obtaining their green cards. Undocumented immigrants who are immediate relatives of lawful.....snip~

White House Details on Anticipated Administrative Relief
 
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If you are going to have an immigration policy a born child's citizenship should be based on the parents citizenship. If instead you decide that everyone that is born in this country is a citizen you create a situation where you either have to separate a family when you deport them, accept criminals in your country to go without punishment to keep families together, or deport a us citizen just so you can deport their parents and not separate their family.

A good bit of logic and common sense this.

And hence a perfectly reasonable and logical foundation for eliminating the 'anchor baby' regulations and scenario. While it may have served the country in the past, that time has long since gone, and only caused greater complications for immigration policy and enforcement.
 
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Not to mention that the previous actions that Obama has taken WRT immigration and enforcement decisions has made it all the more difficult, if not impossible, for a bi-partisan supported immigration bill to pass congress. He's created the impossible situation, and then turns around and blames congress and the Republicans. Just more dishonesty from Obama. Nothing new here. :yawn: In fact, it's getting quite boring and predictable, this.

Interesting to note that this past history, no matter how recent, escapes the Obamabots and the Biased Lame Stream Media.

I seem to remember President George W.Bush tried to get immigration reform, but the Republicans were against it even then.

The last president who couldn't get Congress to act on immigration - CBS News
 
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