Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Zyphlin · Nov 20, 2014

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TheDemSocialist said:
See post #89 and also #47

Neither of which highlight instances of Presidents doing the "Exact same thing" as what Obama was doing here. Skimming the various links I see significant differences that can be pointed to in each of the cases I'm reading. So please, since you're suggesting you've provided something to actually back up your claim that he's doing the "exact same thing" as previous Presidents....how about you actually quote me the specific instance you're talking about? Or perhaps acknowledged you were engaging in hyperbole for the sake of making your argument look stronger then it was.

Phys251 · Nov 20, 2014

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064004621 said:
Its more like the 2014 elections have spoken. Stand down...

Sorry, I do not have to obey you.

polgara · Nov 20, 2014

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064004628 said:
Pot calling kettle black...

Greetings, Mo. :2wave:

When even Jonathon Turley and the Supreme Court state that it may not meet the Constitutions's definition of separation of powers, I tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. :mrgreen:

sangha · Nov 20, 2014

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Zyphlin said:
Your desire for hyperbole makes you horrendously wrong.

At best an argument for "similar" could potentially be made, but absolutely not exact.

In addition to being ridiculously pendantic, in the eyes of the law, what he's doing is the same exact thing. He is exercising the same, exact powers under the same, exact laws that other presidents have used.

Zyphlin said:
Neither of which highlight instances of Presidents doing the "Exact same thing" as what Obama was doing here. Skimming the various links I see significant differences that can be pointed to in each of the cases I'm reading. So please, since you're suggesting you've provided something to actually back up your claim that he's doing the "exact same thing" as previous Presidents....how about you actually quote me the specific instance you're talking about? Or perhaps acknowledged you were engaging in hyperbole for the sake of making your argument look stronger then it was.

The differences are of no legal consequence and so they are not significant in the eyes of the law.

Now, why don't you criticize what I said because the law doesn't really have eyes?

Mycroft · Nov 20, 2014

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I've been talking a lot here about Obama's spin to justify his illegal action...which is echoed by the Obamabots in this thread.

Here's another bit of spin that irritates the F***! out of me:

"And to those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill,"

Sorry, Obama, nothing in the Constitution says that Congress has to ask, "how high", when you say "jump". And there is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes you to "fix things" by changing established law.

upsideguy · Nov 21, 2014

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sawdust said:
My understanding is that Reagan and Bush worked with congress to correct flaws which adversely affected families that were granted amnesty by congress in 1986. Obama has never worked with congress. He's a terrible president.

You might want to check "your understanding" Perhaps you do not....

Ontologuy · Nov 21, 2014

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avery45 said:
Immigrants legal and illegal could help their cause by learning the language. When when immigrants come this this country but hold on to the culture of the land they just left, is insensitive and offensive to us.

Not to mention how we feel when they steal our jobs, our classrooms, living-space, road-space, etc. .. and then act all entitled when we call them on it!

By the way, enjoy my signature.

upsideguy · Nov 21, 2014

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Fletch said:
LOL. Now that's just dumb. But that logic, Obamacare wasn't serious legislation because it didn't attract republican votes in either body at the expense of extreme libs. But if you think Obamacare isn't 'serious legislation' I am sure you are in line with those who want to repeal it.

The PPACA was serious legislation because it left the House in form sufficient to be considered and passed by the Senate. Legislation that leaves the House with almost exclusive support from the Right and no interest from Dems will be DOA at the Senate, which is Centrist by nature (it leaned left from 2006 to present; now it will lean Right, but it will remain a Centrist body). If a House bill attracts NO interest of Dems, it has no chance in the Senate. It is a bill designed for politics rather than action. Its not serious legislation.

Very, very few bills originating in the House during the last congress garnered more than 10% of Dem votes.... because very, very few bills were serious.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...nn-jenkins-blames-harry-reid-do-nothing-sena/

Mycroft · Nov 21, 2014

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Seems Obama changed his mind a bit, eh?

Josie · Nov 21, 2014

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It's really very simple. We have immigration laws. People have been breaking those laws for decades. Obama now wants to give them all a pardon and allow anyone to come in without the threat of deportation even though the law says otherwise. Yeah.... that's illegal.

Juanita · Nov 21, 2014

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sawdust said:
My understanding is that Reagan and Bush worked with congress to correct flaws which adversely affected families that were granted amnesty by congress in 1986. Obama has never worked with congress. He's a terrible president.

Correction: Congress has never worked with the President--EVER..

Mycroft · Nov 21, 2014

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Juanita said:
Correction: Congress has never worked with the President--EVER..

Oh...you know that's not true.

Congress worked very well with Obama to shove Obamacare down our throats.

Juanita · Nov 21, 2014

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Ontologuy said:
Deportation is the fundamental punishment for illegal aliens, even without considering restitution they need to make for their crimes, and the imprisonment they deserve (which we're incapable of so we just send them back).

If deportation is suspended, if the sentence is suspended, that's a pardoning act of amnesty.

It's really clear as a bell.

(sigh) Un****ingbelieveable!

Juanita · Nov 21, 2014

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Ontologuy said:
Clearly you're missing a fundamental reality in this matter: they're all criminals!

They've trespassed, forged identities, procured employment illegally, violated U.S. customs law, etc.

Some of these are felonies!

Passing a background check is meaningless pomp.

Again, clearly, suspending deportation is suspending sentence, it's amnesty, as it's a pardon.

It simply is clear as a bell.

I have never seen a clear bell!

Linc · Nov 21, 2014

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Fletch said:
Not true at all.
Because a congress fails or refuses to act on any issue is not grounds for the president to act in their place.
That is not how our system works.

Except when the last ten Presidents did it .

Linc · Nov 21, 2014

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Mycroft said:
Oh...you know that's not true.

Congress worked very well with Obama to shove Obamacare down our throats.

In adopting original GOP ideas which they then partisanly walked away from .

Juanita · Nov 21, 2014

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064004077 said:
I just saw the president's speech and think he is desperate or maybe just trying to pitch executive action by his salesmanship use of apple pie, Americana statements and even quoting scripture.

Do you attend church with your illegal alien neighbors? Obama seems to think so.

How would you know if your neighbors were documented or not?

Juanita · Nov 21, 2014

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clownboy said:
The republican house wrote quite a few laws. The democrat senate refused to even hear them. You seem to be a tad confused as to how the legislative process works. Put down the dem phone bank script and maybe study up a bit.

The House has been sitting on a Comprehensive Immigration Bill that the Senate passed a year and a half ago!

Juanita · Nov 21, 2014

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064004233 said:
I'm pretty sure Obama wasn't trying to sell the people who sent him a very strong message during the recent election cycle executive orders about illegal Irish immigrants.

You?

...but that doesn't mean there are no illegal Irish in this country. Latin Americans are not the only ones who will benefit from deferment.

Juanita · Nov 21, 2014

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064004360 said:
I love it when partisans play the non-partisan role to try to gain an edge in a debate they're losing.

How many Irish immigrants cross the southern border illegally? Unless crossing the border from the east and west coasts have been a problem I'm not aware of. I'm also pretty sure the northern US border hasn't been a hotly debated issue either.

That leaves the southern US border. Pretty sure the Irish would be fairly easy to spot crossing into Texas or Arizona illegally.

See any Irish people in these crowds?

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People who are here illegally because their visas expired have come through every major airport in this country..Educate yourself.

Linc · Nov 21, 2014

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Mycroft said:
I've been talking a lot here about Obama's spin to justify his illegal action...which is echoed by the Obamabots in this thread.

Not to mention all of you GOP/TEA/FOX/Rushbots who still vastly outnumber us Obamabots as you call us.

Here's another bit of spin that irritates the F***! out of me:

How's that election victory going for you guys?

"And to those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better,
or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill,"

This congress has stated unequivocaly that they are in DC to do nothing--they have succeeded until now.

Sorry, Obama, nothing in the Constitution says that Congress has to ask, "how high", when you say "jump".

After six yeas of this disloyal opposition fighting him tooth-and-nail on everything, my only question to the President is what the **** took you so long.
Too bad Obama didn't pull this trigger before the election when GOPs were lying about and politicizing Ebola and ISIL.

And there is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes you to "fix things" by changing established law.

We'll see what the courts have to say about that.
How's that GOP House lawsuit going right now ?

Ontologuy · Nov 21, 2014

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Juanita said:
(sigh) Un****ingbelieveable!

Yep, don't ya just hate it when you think no one will catch it .. and you get nailed. :shock:

Ontologuy · Nov 21, 2014

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Juanita said:
I have never seen a clear bell!

Well, that's your problem then -- you're using your eyes .. when clearly you should be using your ears: clear as a bell - Idioms by The Free Dictionary

very clear, as with the sound of a bell

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Ontologuy · Nov 21, 2014

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Juanita said:
The House has been sitting on a Comprehensive Immigration Bill that the Senate passed a year and a half ago!

As well they should -- it's simply not needed.

The only thing needed .. is comprehensive enforcement of our current laws on dealing with illegal aliens.

You should really check your "progressive" ideology at the door, Juanita -- it's dumbing you down to the obvious.

Linc · Nov 21, 2014

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clownboy said:
Well, you have a democrat senate to blame for that.

Actually I don't but those are the FOX/Rushbo talking points you receive daily.

The house has put forward over a hundred bills that never reached the floor of the senate because the democrat leadership wanted it that way.

What do those 'over 100' bills have to do with this immigration situation--I know--nothing!

Or is it 200 or over 300 hundred depending on which GOP/FOX messenger that taps on me.

And how many of those 'over 100' bills were repeal without the promised replace?
Anything on Health Care hit the House floor in the last four years that you know of ?

Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

No, perfectly legal

Doing same as Regan and Bush did

Not sure

Dont care

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