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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%

  • Total voters
    74
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064004360 said:
I love it when partisans play the non-partisan role to try to gain an edge in a debate they're losing.

How many Irish immigrants cross the southern border illegally? Unless crossing the border from the east and west coasts have been a problem I'm not aware of. I'm also pretty sure the northern US border hasn't been a hotly debated issue either.

That leaves the southern US border. Pretty sure the Irish would be fairly easy to spot crossing into Texas or Arizona illegally.

See any Irish people in these crowds?

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I love it when closet racists accidentally let their true colors show so this is just a gift that keeps on giving.

I have no idea what the nationality of anyone in the pictures is. Do you have their ID's for me to compare their faces to because they all look like red-blooded Americans to me.
 
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How much does it cost the govt to not deport someone?

Deportation costs are much less than providing government assistance/welfare.
 
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The Democratic Senate refused to hear laws passed by the House because they were not serious laws. Serious legislation from the House would have attached Dem votes in the House at the expense of votes of the extreme cons. BTW, educated people know its the Democratic Party.
LOL. Now that's just dumb. But that logic, Obamacare wasn't serious legislation because it didn't attract republican votes in either body at the expense of extreme libs. But if you think Obamacare isn't 'serious legislation' I am sure you are in line with those who want to repeal it.
 
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I love it when closet racists accidentally let their true colors show so this is just a gift that keeps on giving.

I have no idea what the nationality of anyone in the pictures is. Do you have their ID's for me to compare their faces to because they all look like red-blooded Americans to me.

I love it when liberals losing a debate throw out the race card. News flash-it doesn't work any more.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1064004389 said:
Deportation costs are much less than providing government assistance/welfare.

SO the republicans are going to defund TANF, food stamps, etc?

:lamo
 
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Deferring enforcement of the law is not the same as granting temporary residency

One is acknowledging a violation of the law but choosing not to take action against it, the other is excusing the violation of the law and bestowing a legal category upon them of which the law previously didn't provde for.
 
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The subject is immigration reform, not some 200 plus House bills of dubious quality, especially the 50 plus repeal without promised replace.

Seems the House has a huge problem with keeping their word,
such as when Boehner promised a vote on Rubio's Dream Act and broke his word before the 112-day holiday .

Another what's good for the goose is good for the gander doesn't apply because you're the goose and you can't have the gander doing what you do.

It's exactly like gerrymanders, if the Democrats gerrymander Illinois that is good, perfectly okay. But if the Republicans gerrymander Texas that is bad, that is evil. It's stuff like this that make me say, HUH! I have news for you gerrymandering is evil regardless of which party does it. Taking no actions on bills passed by either chamber is another evil regardless of which party does it. All passed bill in my opinion should be brought to the floor of the House or the Senate, debated and voted on.

This goes back to tabling bills if my party is in charge is great, ideal, good politics. But if the other party filibusters one my parties bills, that is bad again, evil, filibustering has to go. We will nuke the filibuster, but still will not let the other party's passed bills see the light of day.

Okay, that all is in the past or will be come January. You want to wager if the Republicans use the Reid Nuclear Option Democrats will scream bloody murder? I can almost guarantee that once Reid leads a filibuster McConnell will be screaming. Funny how one party who uses one set of tactics screams bloody murder when the other party uses the same set of tactics.

No big thing, I have come to expect this stuff from both sides. It isn't right, it is just politics and so is this speech.
 
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I see that the inevitable howling has begun.

Go ahead, Republicans. Please continue to alienate the fastest-growing minority in the nation from your voting base. The 2016 election awaits you. :)
 
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The man that wrote that is a conservative...

So what? Does that make the spin better?

Have fun with the hack show!

I never have fun when people spout spin at me.

For example:

"Some/other/every (take your pick) President(s) have done the same thing."

Not true. Nothing but spin. Sure, President use EO's. No dispute there. But that doesn't mean other Presidents have taken the law into their own hands by using EO's. Nothing in the law says that Obama can change the rules that govern who get's a work permit. Obama IS changing the law. That is illegal.

So...save your spin. Show me the law that says Obama has the right to change the law.
 
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This is one of the most emotional and passion inducing issues of all.

It doesn't matter what he does or what he says, people are still going to get pissed off.

Maybe it is illegal, maybe it isn't, I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I know at the end of the day this issue is not going away and true leadership isn't coming anytime soon to solve it because nobody likes the only solution available.
 
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This is one of the most emotional and passion inducing issues of all.

It doesn't matter what he does or what he says, people are still going to get pissed off.

Maybe it is illegal, maybe it isn't, I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I know at the end of the day this issue is not going away and true leadership isn't coming anytime soon to solve it because nobody likes the only solution available.

The only solution available?

What's that?
 
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So what? Does that make the spin better?
Notice how the only people saying this is unconsitutional are hacks like yourselves...


I never have fun when people spout spin at me.

For example:

"Some/other/every (take your pick) President(s) have done the same thing."
Yes they have. Here our many examples: Critics Say Executive Action on Immigration Would Be Unprecedented. They Forget Their History. - NationalJournal.com
and: 4 times presidents unilaterally protected immigrants from deportations - Vox


Not true. Nothing but spin. Sure, President use EO's. No dispute there. But that doesn't mean other Presidents have taken the law into their own hands by using EO's. Nothing in the law says that Obama can change the rules that govern who get's a work permit. Obama IS changing the law. That is illegal.

So...save your spin. Show me the law that says Obama has the right to change the law.

No no no no. Lets get this straight. Its only "spin" when you dont agree with it...
 
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The only solution available?

AT the end of the day, when you look at the size and scope of the problem, there is no other solution except either a pathway to citizenship or amnesty.

That's it, there is no other solution to the problem.

None at all.

These people aren't going anywhere and you can't deport them all.

I absolutely, 1000% understand why people would be upset by that.

But... there is no other way.
 
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What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.

Your desire for hyperbole makes you horrendously wrong.

At best an argument for "similar" could potentially be made, but absolutely not exact.
 
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This is one of the most emotional and passion inducing issues of all.

It doesn't matter what he does or what he says, people are still going to get pissed off.

Maybe it is illegal, maybe it isn't, I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I know at the end of the day this issue is not going away and true leadership isn't coming anytime soon to solve it because nobody likes the only solution available.

Very true. Very true indeed. And no leadership coming from anywhere in the executive nor the legislative branch. That's the problem here more so than anything else.
 
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AT the end of the day, when you look at the size and scope of the problem, there is no other solution except either a pathway to citizenship or amnesty.

That's it, there is no other solution to the problem.

None at all.

These people aren't going anywhere and you can't deport them all.

I absolutely, 1000% understand why people would be upset by that.

But... there is no other way.

Okay, I see where you are going here. For a moment I thought you were going to say the only solution is to impeach the President.

Anyway, I disagree with you.

Enforcement of current laws will induce a large percentage of illegal aliens to self-deport when they can't work, can't use social services, etc. If we beefed up the current laws...and enforced them...even MORE would self-deport.

Personally, I always favor enforcement of law over amnesty.
 
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AT the end of the day, when you look at the size and scope of the problem, there is no other solution except either a pathway to citizenship or amnesty.

That's it, there is no other solution to the problem.

None at all.

These people aren't going anywhere and you can't deport them all.

I absolutely, 1000% understand why people would be upset by that.

But... there is no other way.

So the solution is to give away citizenship to illegal aliens, and throw open the borders?

Strictly on principal, all illegal aliens should be deported and go to the back of the line. Principle runs into practicality and cost / benefit analysis.

Maybe deport some, provide a path to citizenship to some others, ignore those who don't come forward?

From a practicality point of view, drawing all these lines, and applying them to that many people seems as costly as deporting them all. Deporting them all would be a form of simplicity and consistency, would it not?

What are you proposing as a solution?
 
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Your desire for hyperbole makes you horrendously wrong.

At best an argument for "similar" could potentially be made, but absolutely not exact.

See post #89 and also #47
 
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Notice how the only people saying this is unconsitutional are hacks like yourselves...



Yes they have. Here our many examples: Critics Say Executive Action on Immigration Would Be Unprecedented. They Forget Their History. - NationalJournal.com
and: 4 times presidents unilaterally protected immigrants from deportations - Vox




No no no no. Lets get this straight. Its only "spin" when you dont agree with it...

Your first link cites a bunch of instances of Presidents using their latitude in situations involving refugees. Are you attempting to spin things so you can call our millions of illegal aliens, "refugees"?

In your second link, again, refugee situations are cited as well as situations in which the President was acting in accordance to laws that were passed by Congress.

What law has Congress passed that allows Obama to alter standards for granting work permits? What law has Congress passed that allows Obama to just decide that millions of illegal aliens are suddenly not illegal anymore?
 
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Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?

Not the same thing as Bush and Reagan.
apples and oranges
 
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Immigrants legal and illegal could help their cause by learning the language. When when immigrants come this this country but hold on to the culture of the land they just left, is insensitive and offensive to us.
 
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I see that the inevitable howling has begun.

Go ahead, Republicans. Please continue to alienate the fastest-growing minority in the nation from your voting base. The 2016 election awaits you. :)

Its more like the 2014 elections have spoken. Stand down...
 
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