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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%

  • Total voters
    74
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Has he made the announcement yet? Have the details been released?

I guess I missed that if he has.


I disagree with the very principle of what is proposed but disagreeing is one thing and illegal is quite another. Let me see the details and then I'll let you know if I think it's illegal.

Agree. Details matter.

One potential problem/issue is that Obama's EO grants relief/pardons to illegals that cannot later be rescinded or walked back. Congress and/or the courts may pass new law or overrule some aspects of the EO. But for some elements it may not be possible to "unring the bell".

Will be interesting to listen to the speech tonight....
 
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I appreciate the need for this thread.... but the need begins AFTER we know what the actual action will be. Until then, its nothing but needless speculation. No point in getting one's panties in a bunch until its time to get your panties in a bunch... (ok, two metaphors for one point is one metaphor too many)..



How can you "appreciate the need for this thread" and then say there is no need?

Look, it's like this. We have seen what the Obama White House is prepared to do to make the other guys look bad, a very typical tactic of bad governments. If you have nothing good to say about yourself, say nothing, and attack the **** out of the other guy, no holds barred, Sarah Palin can be called a "slut" and a "whore", anything goes, eat your owqn young politics.

Why this thread is beneficial and important, is once again we are seeing the most loathsome government of the modern era manipulating reality all in the name of Obama's now shattered image.

This is bloody, gloves off, third period throw out the whistles boys, cutthroat politics, Chicago "the whole world's watching", Mayor John Daily, slice your grandmother from asshole to earlobes American politics by the meanest, most dishonest and powerful people in the country.

You damn right this thread NEEDS to exist, as mold and fungus thrive in the dark
 
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Deportation will be suspended for those who pass a back ground check, but for others who are criminals they will be deported. More of undocumented have deported than any other president has done.
Clearly you're missing a fundamental reality in this matter: they're all criminals!

They've trespassed, forged identities, procured employment illegally, violated U.S. customs law, etc.

Some of these are felonies!

Passing a background check is meaningless pomp.

Again, clearly, suspending deportation is suspending sentence, it's amnesty, as it's a pardon.

It simply is clear as a bell.
 
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how is taking actions that laws passed by congress allow him to take demonstrate a "defiance of congressional intent"?

That was taken from this article:

Every President’s Executive Actions In One Chart | FiveThirtyEight

I will admit I was taking it as this congress's intent and did not think of any other congress. This congress or the House intent was to do nothing on a senate passed bill. Just like the senate's intent was to do nothing on some 200 plus house passed bills. So as far as intent goes, it is the intent of this congress and in particular the house to do nothing. Same as those 200 house passed bills where the intent is to do nothing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander type equation.

Now the intent of congress to do nothing on all of the above is being upset. Sort of a lame argument, but the best I can come up with at the moment. Congressional intent - do nothing so President Obama is in defiance of this congress's intent.

Now as for past congresses and laws signed into law which as I take it the 1986 law is the one in force, the question then becomes is President Obama acting in accordance with it or is he rewriting it? I guess we will find the answer to that question once we know what he is going to do. All this speculation is just that, speculation. It may be right on or it may not be. What I like about you is that you have the ability to expand my horizons some times, now I have some contemplation to do while I watch a Dr. Who DVD and wait on the president.



So
 
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That was taken from this article:

Every President’s Executive Actions In One Chart | FiveThirtyEight

I will admit I was taking it as this congress's intent and did not think of any other congress. This congress or the House intent was to do nothing on a senate passed bill. Just like the senate's intent was to do nothing on some 200 plus house passed bills. So as far as intent goes, it is the intent of this congress and in particular the house to do nothing. Same as those 200 house passed bills where the intent is to do nothing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander type equation.

Now the intent of congress to do nothing on all of the above is being upset. Sort of a lame argument, but the best I can come up with at the moment. Congressional intent - do nothing so President Obama is in defiance of this congress's intent.

Now as for past congresses and laws signed into law which as I take it the 1986 law is the one in force, the question then becomes is President Obama acting in accordance with it or is he rewriting it? I guess we will find the answer to that question once we know what he is going to do. All this speculation is just that, speculation. It may be right on or it may not be. What I like about you is that you have the ability to expand my horizons some times, now I have some contemplation to do while I watch a Dr. Who DVD and wait on the president.



So

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

Is it being televised after all? I had read that none of the networks are carrying it. :confused:
 
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That was taken from this article:

Every President’s Executive Actions In One Chart | FiveThirtyEight

I will admit I was taking it as this congress's intent and did not think of any other congress. This congress or the House intent was to do nothing on a senate passed bill. Just like the senate's intent was to do nothing on some 200 plus house passed bills.
The subject is immigration reform, not some 200 plus House bills of dubious quality, especially the 50 plus repeal without promised replace.

Seems the House has a huge problem with keeping their word,
such as when Boehner promised a vote on Rubio's Dream Act and broke his word before the 112-day holiday .
 
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The subject is immigration reform, not some 200 plus House bills of dubious quality, especially the 50 plus repeal without promised replace.

Seems the House has a huge problem with keeping their word,
such as when Boehner promised a vote on Rubio's Dream Act and broke his word before the 112-day holiday .
So they didn't vote on it. So what?
 
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MSNBC has it--for GOPs who can't stand what Obama looks like, not you, such as Congressman Mo Brooks who today wants to jail Obama.
I recommend putting a towel over the television so folks can just hear his voice.

10-minute speech-
Also, could be on some radio outlets along with Sirius--bound to be replays--FOX already had the main excerpts .

Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

Is it being televised after all? I had read that none of the networks are carrying it. :confused:
 
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So they didn't vote on it. So what?

Which is why we have a problem tonight--an impotent and untrustworthy Congress .
 
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Criminals will be deported .
Clearly you're missing a fundamental reality in this matter: they're all criminals!

They've trespassed, forged identities, procured employment illegally, violated U.S. customs law, etc.

Some of these are felonies!

Passing a background check is meaningless pomp.

Again, clearly, suspending deportation is suspending sentence, it's amnesty, as it's a pardon.

It simply is clear as a bell.
 
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Which is why we have a problem tonight--an impotent and untrustworthy Congress .
Not true at all. Because a congress fails or refuses to act on any issue is not grounds for the president to act in their place. That is not how our system works.
 
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MSNBC has it--for GOPs who can't stand what Obama looks like, not you, such as Congressman Mo Brooks who today wants to jail Obama.
I recommend putting a towel over the television so folks can just hear his voice.

10-minute speech-
Also, could be on some radio outlets along with Sirius--bound to be replays--FOX already had the main excerpts .

Greetings, NIMBY. :2wave:

Thanks! :thumbs:
 
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Greetings, Pero. :2wave:

Is it being televised after all? I had read that none of the networks are carrying it. :confused:



CNN has it on now Lady P. AC 360.....WH peep are saying it isn't Amnesty. That it's a deferred action and that it will include the parents going back 5 years. But this pathway doesn't lead to citizenship they say.
 
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CNN has it on now Lady P. AC 360.....WH peep are saying it isn't Amnesty. That it's a deferred action and that it will include the parents going back 5 years. But this pathway doesn't lead to citizenship they say.

I'm watching it right now! :thumbs:
 
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Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?

I selected the first choice in the poll.

Now...he is about to give his speech...in minutes. But he has released his talking points to the media so we know what he's going to do.

The definite illegal action he is going to announce is that he's going to give work permits to millions of illegal aliens. He's not going to give them amnesty. The problem is that there are laws that define the procedures for awarding work permits. He is going to ignore those laws.

No matter what kind of spin he produces, he cannot justify breaking the law.
 
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What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.
 
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Practically speaking granting amnesty, which the Constitution clearly empowers the POTUS to perform, wouldn't accomplish anything. People who are here illegally are perpetually breaking the law. Yeah, the POTUS could say "you're pardoned for your past crimes", but they'd be guilty of the same crime the following day. The only way amnesty would have any lasting effect is if it also included legalizing documentation, but POTUS does not have the authority to grant that.

So that leaves Obama doing what every leader of law enforcement ends up doing: prioritizing where enforcement assets concentrate their work. Obama saying "felons, not families" is absolutely no different than any police chief or sheriff saying "murderers, not jay-walkers". It's discretion that all law enforcement leadership has regardless of what laws have been written. They need that discretion to function day-to-day, in a world of limited money and assets. Simple prioritization. It's not a strange concept. We each exercise the same thing on a regular basis. Companies exercise it. It's everywhere.

P.S. Caveat: POTUS doesn't have explicit Constitutional authority to grant legalizing papers, but he is in charge of the departments that do per the Constitution and previously passed Congressional laws. That might give him the indirect authority to grant them. I haven't researched into it enough to know.
 
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What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.

Don't bother with the spin. Obama is doing well enough on his own right now in that respect.
 
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The Congressional branch of government writes the laws.

The executive branch of government enforces the laws passed by Congress.

The liberal judicial activist judges legislate from the bench.
 
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Don't bother with the spin. Obama is doing well enough on his own right now in that respect.

Yeah, he is going on and on what he has seen, and now its story time.

Now he cites Scripture to and ends about how we always have been. :roll:

Immediately Blitzer says 5 million made legal temporarily.
 
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Don't bother with the spin. Obama is doing well enough on his own right now in that respect.

:roll:
Now consider immigration. Many Republicans and conservatives are upset with the Administration’s approach to immigration, in particular the deferred deportation of illegal immigrants. There may well be good policy arguments against Obama’s policies, but there’s a strong case the actual law is on the president’s side. As Shikha Dalmia writes in the Washington Examiner, even some conservative immigration law experts believe the president has been acting within the scope of authority delegated to the executive branch by Congress — and that there is room for the president to go even further should he so desire. In response to claims that President Obama has exceeded his authority in immigration, Dalmia writes:

Margaret Stock, a Republican immigration lawyer and a Federalist Society member, notes that such accusations don’t appreciate that all this is fully authorized by those laws. “The Immigration and Nationality Act and other laws are chock-full of huge grants of statutory authority to the president,” she explains, a point also emphasized by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service in its 2013 brief. “Congress gave the president all these powers, and now they are upset because he wants to use them. Other presidents have used the same authority in the past without an outcry.”

Most accept that the discretion that the executive branch enjoys in enforcing immigration law is as broad as what prosecutors enjoy in criminal law. And the reason is the same: More offenders than means to prosecute makes drastic prioritization necessary. . . . .

for over 50 years, every president has used his prosecutorial discretion to let some foreigners stay – and not just a few individuals but entire groups. John F. Kennedy used executive authority to prevent thousands of Cubans from being deported, as did Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. George W. Bush used it to temporarily protect illegals stuck in Hurricane Katrina-stricken areas.

Sure, Obama is hinting at going further. But nothing he’s proposing comes close to exceeding the powers Congress has granted him, let alone constituting an “extraordinary abuse of power.”

The point here, as in my post chiding some of the president’s defenders, is that the legal details matter. Immigration law is an area in which — for good or ill — Congress has given the executive wide latitude. Under some other laws, including the PPACA, Congress was not so generous. In evaluating claims of executive overreach it is important to consider the relevant statutes, as whether the President is exceeding his bounds largely depends on the nature and scope of the power Congress delegated in the first place.
Not everything the president wants to do is illegal - The Washington Post
 
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The Congressional branch of government writes the laws.

The executive branch of government enforces the laws passed by Congress.

The liberal judicial activist judges legislate from the bench.


Gingrich slams him as being totally dishonest to the American people.
 
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Gingrich also slammed Reagan and House leaderdship on his way to the Speakership himself.
Why was Mr. "right-wing social engineering" replaced as Speaker by Speaker Hastert of Yorkville, IL ?
 
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The Congressional branch of government writes the laws.

Well actually, this one doesn't and prides itself in that.

Let's see how the liberal Supreme Court goes against 'prosecutorial discretion" !
 
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