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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    SO the republicans are going to defund TANF, food stamps, etc?

    For illegals, I certainly hope so.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    How much does it cost the govt to not deport someone?
    Depends, do they have kids in a public school?

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Deferring enforcement of the law is not the same as granting temporary residency

    One is acknowledging a violation of the law but choosing not to take action against it, the other is excusing the violation of the law and bestowing a legal category upon them of which the law previously didn't provde for.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The subject is immigration reform, not some 200 plus House bills of dubious quality, especially the 50 plus repeal without promised replace.

    Seems the House has a huge problem with keeping their word,
    such as when Boehner promised a vote on Rubio's Dream Act and broke his word before the 112-day holiday .
    Another what's good for the goose is good for the gander doesn't apply because you're the goose and you can't have the gander doing what you do.

    It's exactly like gerrymanders, if the Democrats gerrymander Illinois that is good, perfectly okay. But if the Republicans gerrymander Texas that is bad, that is evil. It's stuff like this that make me say, HUH! I have news for you gerrymandering is evil regardless of which party does it. Taking no actions on bills passed by either chamber is another evil regardless of which party does it. All passed bill in my opinion should be brought to the floor of the House or the Senate, debated and voted on.

    This goes back to tabling bills if my party is in charge is great, ideal, good politics. But if the other party filibusters one my parties bills, that is bad again, evil, filibustering has to go. We will nuke the filibuster, but still will not let the other party's passed bills see the light of day.

    Okay, that all is in the past or will be come January. You want to wager if the Republicans use the Reid Nuclear Option Democrats will scream bloody murder? I can almost guarantee that once Reid leads a filibuster McConnell will be screaming. Funny how one party who uses one set of tactics screams bloody murder when the other party uses the same set of tactics.

    No big thing, I have come to expect this stuff from both sides. It isn't right, it is just politics and so is this speech.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    I see that the inevitable howling has begun.

    Go ahead, Republicans. Please continue to alienate the fastest-growing minority in the nation from your voting base. The 2016 election awaits you.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    The man that wrote that is a conservative...
    So what? Does that make the spin better?

    Have fun with the hack show!
    I never have fun when people spout spin at me.

    For example:

    "Some/other/every (take your pick) President(s) have done the same thing."

    Not true. Nothing but spin. Sure, President use EO's. No dispute there. But that doesn't mean other Presidents have taken the law into their own hands by using EO's. Nothing in the law says that Obama can change the rules that govern who get's a work permit. Obama IS changing the law. That is illegal.

    So...save your spin. Show me the law that says Obama has the right to change the law.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    This is one of the most emotional and passion inducing issues of all.

    It doesn't matter what he does or what he says, people are still going to get pissed off.

    Maybe it is illegal, maybe it isn't, I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I know at the end of the day this issue is not going away and true leadership isn't coming anytime soon to solve it because nobody likes the only solution available.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This is one of the most emotional and passion inducing issues of all.

    It doesn't matter what he does or what he says, people are still going to get pissed off.

    Maybe it is illegal, maybe it isn't, I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I know at the end of the day this issue is not going away and true leadership isn't coming anytime soon to solve it because nobody likes the only solution available.
    The only solution available?

    What's that?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So what? Does that make the spin better?
    Notice how the only people saying this is unconsitutional are hacks like yourselves...


    I never have fun when people spout spin at me.

    For example:

    "Some/other/every (take your pick) President(s) have done the same thing."
    Yes they have. Here our many examples: Critics Say Executive Action on Immigration Would Be Unprecedented. They Forget Their History. - NationalJournal.com
    and: 4 times presidents unilaterally protected immigrants from deportations - Vox


    Not true. Nothing but spin. Sure, President use EO's. No dispute there. But that doesn't mean other Presidents have taken the law into their own hands by using EO's. Nothing in the law says that Obama can change the rules that govern who get's a work permit. Obama IS changing the law. That is illegal.

    So...save your spin. Show me the law that says Obama has the right to change the law.
    No no no no. Lets get this straight. Its only "spin" when you dont agree with it...


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The only solution available?
    AT the end of the day, when you look at the size and scope of the problem, there is no other solution except either a pathway to citizenship or amnesty.

    That's it, there is no other solution to the problem.

    None at all.

    These people aren't going anywhere and you can't deport them all.

    I absolutely, 1000% understand why people would be upset by that.

    But... there is no other way.

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