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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    The only congressional intent Congress has is to NOT write a law.
    And to now use this Obama fix to not do anything for the next two years, as with the last two.
    Sounds like Queen Boehner to me .
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    how is taking actions that laws passed by congress allow him to take demonstrate a "defiance of congressional intent"?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    The only congressional intent Congress has is to NOT write a law.
    And to now use this Obama fix to not do anything for the next two years, as with the last two.
    Sounds like Queen Boehner to me .
    The republican house wrote quite a few laws. The democrat senate refused to even hear them. You seem to be a tad confused as to how the legislative process works. Put down the dem phone bank script and maybe study up a bit.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Congressional branch of government writes the laws.

    The executive branch of government enforces the laws passed by Congress.

    The liberal judicial activist judges legislate from the bench.
    Guess what? The executive branch gets to administer enforcement. This means they get to prioritize limited resources, using their judgment to decide how much effort should be expended on various aspects of various laws.

    BTW... there a plenty of Conservative activist judges, including a few on the SCOTUS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Guess what? The executive branch gets to administer enforcement. This means they get to prioritize limited resources, using their judgment to decide how much effort should be expended on various aspects of various laws.

    BTW... there a plenty of Conservative activist judges, including a few on the SCOTUS.
    Did any of them laugh about legislating on the bench ?

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    while presidents unquestionably have the power to exercise immigration enforcement discretion in order to further foreign policy or humanitarian goals, what they do not have the power to do is functionally rewrite U.S. immigration law, which is exactly what Obama's impending executive action on immigration would do.
    No, it won't.

    He cannot, and is not, handing out Green Cards to 4 million people. He isn't giving them "amnesty" or refugee status. (He also can't give them drivers' licenses.) He's letting them apply for work permits, and deferring deportation until around 2017.


    The past incidents listed above were all in response to specific humanitarian crises or foreign policy events. They all were narrowly tailored to help specific subsets of immigrants.....
    That's nice. But unless that was specified in the law(s) in question, it's irrelevant.


    This is not narrow humanitarian relief[/B]. [U]This is a flagrant attempt to get around Congress's exclusive Article I power "to establish a uniform rule of naturalization."
    The Constitution didn't carve out any exceptions for "humanitarian relief" or "foreign policy events." And he isn't naturalizing anyone. Please get the facts straight.


    Because no president has abused this power on this scale before, there is no case law that details the scope of a president's prosecutorial discretion. But just because the case law isn't there yet, doesn't mean there are no limits to Obama's power.....
    It also means that you don't actually have a basis for this claim.

    Nothing in the laws specified a limit to the President's ability to temporarily defer deportations. If there is, then no one has actually cited it yet. If Congress gave the President too much power, the only possible recourse is the courts, who haven't ruled on this yet. In addition, Congress is well within its powers to pass a law to establish such limits -- and most certainly sees this coming. They can even still act. And yet, they have not yet passed any such laws.

    I'm not sure this is the best policy, but so far I'm not seeing a valid legal argument against it.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.
    Don't kid yourself...........oh wait, I'm too late.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    The church in my neighborhood brings in a lot of young people from Ireland. I suppose it is possible they are illegals. I never asked them to see their papers when they stop by.
    I'm pretty sure Obama wasn't trying to sell the people who sent him a very strong message during the recent election cycle executive orders about illegal Irish immigrants.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I'm pretty sure Obama wasn't trying to sell the people who sent him a very strong message during the recent election cycle executive orders about illegal Irish immigrants.

    You?
    Who knows what lies in the hearts of men? An illegal immigrant is an illegal immigrant unless we want to throw out parts of teh COnstitution and a great many non-discrimination laws.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Toobin.....another of the lefts own attorney's. Just got done stating it......that Congress can write up a law that overwrites BO's law over deportations. Plus not fund parts of the government related to this issue.

    He don't think anything can go to the courts over this. But said it doesn't need to. That Congress has several options open to them.
    While Obama's attorney may have a good point, I think the Repubs may take the advice of their own attorneys, don'tcha think? Wouldn't you? It's strange that Obama's attorney would use his time to mention Congress could overwrite his law over deportations and withhold funds. I'm absolutely certain that McConnell and Boehner already knew that, since neither are rookies in DC, so why would he mention it? What point was he making about not taking it to court? :

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    So...instead of spouting your own spin...which is the same as Obama's spin...you are going to quote someone else's spin...which is the same as Obama's spin?

    Less spinning...more adherence to law.
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