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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea what that even means and apparently you do not either. I happen to think the Consitution is damn important and have done so for the last forty years during the dramatic build up of the Executive Branch under almost every president who has held the office and with the cooperation of Congress who seemed more than happy to go along.

    So you and others are in the position of the Claud Raines character in CASABLANCA who tries to look shocked as he collects his winnings only to proclaim his shock that he has just learned there is gambling going on there and he must close Rick's Cafe American down.
    I do not believe you.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    He found a way to rule against the will of the American citizen. The authoritarian statists applaud him. I think impeachment must end this or the nation will fall. At this point I do not see anything that can prevent it short of an Article V convention of states.
    He found a way to rule against the will of the American citizen? But did he? If the president acted IAW the law or laws passed by congress, congress prior to this one, did he over step his autority? I don't know if he did or not. Usually when congress writes laws they give the executive branch great leeway in how they will enforce those laws. Writing regulations, rules, guidelines etc. to what ever agency or department or whatever who will be in charge of enforcing the law or legislation passed by congress.

    Although I am not a legal scholar, but I would guess the temporary suspension of deportations probably was within the president's purview. But where he may have crossed the line was with work permits and issuance of social security numbers. Time will tell. I am sure there will be several law suits brought forth and sooner or later the SCOTUS will have to rule.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I do not believe you.
    and this should concern me why????
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think that all depends on how the 1986 law was written. What leeway it gave the president to execute that law. I don't know the answer to that. I am too lazy to look it up and read the law to find out.

    I think all the commotion here is about this congress, the intent of this congress and not the one who passed the law back in 1986. The problem there is this congress intent is worthless, it is what the 1986 law states that counts. What authority did it give to a president to enforce what was written back then.
    Actually, the laws which give the president the authority to do what he has recently done is explained here, complete with references to the specific sections of the US Code that grant him that authority


    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754

    General authority for defered action exists under Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) 103(a), 8 U.S.C. 1103(a), which grants the Secretary of Homeland Security the authority to enforce the immigration laws. Though no statutes oregulations delineate defered action in specific terms, the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that decisions to initate or terminate enforcement procedings fall squarely within the authority of the Executive. In the immigration context, the Executive Branch has exercised its general enforcement authority to grant defered action since at least 1971. Federal courts have acknowledged the existence of this executive power at least as far back as the mid–1970s.5
    Parole–in–place refers to a form of parole granted by the Executive Branch under
    the authority of INA 212(d)(5), 8 U.S.C. 182(d)(5).
    Under this provision, the Atorney
    General “may . . in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such
    conditons as he may prescribe only on a case–by–case basis for urgent humanitarian
    reasons or significant public benefit any alien aplying for admision to the United
    States.”7 Parole permits a noncitzen to remain lawfuly in the United States, although
    parole does not constiute an “admision” under the INA. Individuals who have ben
    paroled are eligible for work authorization
    Defered enforced departure, often refered to as DED, is a form of prosecutorial
    discretion that is closely related to defered action. Almost every Administration since
    President Dwight D. Eisenhower has granted DED or the analogous “Extended Voluntary
    Departure” to at least one group of noncitzens.15 As with defered action, executive
    authority to grant defered enforced departure and extended voluntary departure exists
    under the general authority to enforce the immigration laws as set out in INA 103(a), 8
    U.S.C. 1103(a)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Although I am not a legal scholar, but I would guess the temporary suspension of deportations probably was within the president's purview. But where he may have crossed the line was with work permits
    See the 2nd paragraph in the quote above. Last sentence
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the laws which give the president the authority to do what he has recently done is explained here, complete with references to the specific sections of the US Code that grant him that authority
    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754

    See the 2nd paragraph in the quote above.
    Isn't what you are saying is that the Tyrant found a way to rule against the will of the American citizens?

    Awesome.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Well, perhaps if Boehner had brought the Senate's Immigration Bill to the floor for a vote, Reid would have brought some of Boehner's bills up as well. You think?
    unlikely. Reid has been doing this crap since long before the Senate passed an immigration bill.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, the laws which give the president the authority to do what he has recently done is explained here, complete with references to the specific sections of the US Code that grant him that authority


    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754









    See the 2nd paragraph in the quote above. Last sentence
    Okay, wasn't sure about that, that is why I said "may have."

    But I am not sure, although what you have shown the move is legal, I am not sure if something this massive was a wise move. I think we have to wait a year or two to find out. Congress passed the 1986 law authorizing amnesty for 3 million, this time the president did it on his own for 5 million.

    But we will see how all of this plays out, the president threw down the gauntlet to the new Republican congress. The question is will the new republican congress take the bait and over play their hand?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    One bill of 100's that they didn't. One bill of 100's that are still sitting in Reid's desk. Many jobs related, and other dealing with the country's business.

    Of course, one could look at the number of bills from each of the houses, and pretty quickly see where the log jam is piled up at the Senate.


    Well I guess we will have to wait to see how many of those bills are worth passing next year.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So what? Doesn't mean it's a good thing.

    Look...Democrats like BIG bills, thousands of pages. Everything, including the kitchen sink, tossed in for good measure. Kind of like Obamacare.

    But the House Republicans...Boehner, to be specific...want to deal with "immigration reform" in a realistic, logical step-by-step manner. Secure the border first. Once that's done, then deal with the other issues like how to deal with the millions of illegal aliens in the country, how to deal with the employers who insist on breaking the law, guest workers, legal immigration process. If you try to shove all this stuff in one humongous bill, things don't work right.

    That Senate bill is 1200 pages. Add all the agency rules that come out of it and it'll be as big...and as useless...as Obamacare. But that's what the Democrats want and that's what Obama has been trying to force the House Republicans to pass. It's not going to work.


    B.S. They could have passed it piecemeal if they had wanted, but they didn't.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    No, he wouldn't.

    But I'm wondering why you condone extortion on the part of the Democrats? "Pass my bill...or you'll be sorry!"


    You just made that **** up!

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