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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Dave Mittner View Post
    Practically speaking granting amnesty, which the Constitution clearly empowers the POTUS to perform, wouldn't accomplish anything. People who are here illegally are perpetually breaking the law. Yeah, the POTUS could say "you're pardoned for your past crimes", but they'd be guilty of the same crime the following day. The only way amnesty would have any lasting effect is if it also included legalizing documentation, but POTUS does not have the authority to grant that.

    So that leaves Obama doing what every leader of law enforcement ends up doing: prioritizing where enforcement assets concentrate their work. Obama saying "felons, not families" is absolutely no different than any police chief or sheriff saying "murderers, not jay-walkers". It's discretion that all law enforcement leadership has regardless of what laws have been written. They need that discretion to function day-to-day, in a world of limited money and assets. Simple prioritization. It's not a strange concept. We each exercise the same thing on a regular basis. Companies exercise it. It's everywhere.

    P.S. Caveat: POTUS doesn't have explicit Constitutional authority to grant legalizing papers, but he is in charge of the departments that do per the Constitution and previously passed Congressional laws. That might give him the indirect authority to grant them. I haven't researched into it enough to know.
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    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754

    General authority for defered action exists under Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) 103(a), 8 U.S.C. 103(a), which grants the Secretary of Homeland Security the authority to enforce the immigration laws. Though no statutes oregulations delineate defered action in specific terms, the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that decisions to initate or terminate enforcement procedings fall squarely within the authority of the Executive. In the immigration context, the Executive Branch has exercised its general enforcement authority to grant defered action since at least 1971. Federal courts have acknowledged the existence of this executive power at least as far back as the mid–1970s.5
    Parole–in–place refers to a form of parole granted by the Executive Branch under
    the authority of INA 212(d)(5), 8 U.S.C. 182(d)(5).
    Under this provision, the Atorney
    General “may . . in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such
    conditons as he may prescribe only on a case–by–case basis for urgent humanitarian
    reasons or significant public benefit any alien aplying for admision to the United
    States.”7 Parole permits a noncitzen to remain lawfuly in the United States, although
    parole does not constiute an “admision” under the INA. Individuals who have ben
    paroled are eligible for work authorization
    Defered enforced departure, often refered to as DED, is a form of prosecutorial
    discretion that is closely related to defered action. Almost every Administration since
    President Dwight D. Eisenhower has granted DED or the analogous “Extended Voluntary
    Departure” to at least one group of noncitzens.15 As with defered action, executive
    authority to grant defered enforced departure and extended voluntary departure exists
    under the general authority to enforce the immigration laws as set out in INA 103(a), 8
    U.S.C. 103(a)
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    As this shows, Congress has given POTUS the authority to grant undocumented residents the right to remain in the country and to work.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.


    Congressman Peter King Republican.....just said the House can write up a letter of disapproval and Censure. He would rather go that route than Going with the I- Word. As they don't want to do that.

    He says Congress has their oath to the Constitution and that's what the WH has to understand.

    Gingrich also mentioned the issue of BO's patience. Just because BO is out of patience with Congress doesn't mean that Supercedes the Constitution.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    I just saw the president's speech and think he is desperate or maybe just trying to pitch executive action by his salesmanship use of apple pie, Americana statements and even quoting scripture.

    Do you attend church with your illegal alien neighbors? Obama seems to think so.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Here's the research


    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754







    As this shows, Congress has given POTUS the authority to grant undocumented residents the right to remain in the country and to work.
    None of those apply, they are for individual cases. They do not authorize the Executive to create a new class of subscribed undeportables.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I just saw the president's speech and think he is desperate or maybe just trying to pitch executive action by his salesmanship use of apple pie, Americana statements and even quoting scripture.

    Do you attend church with your illegal alien neighbors? Obama seems to think so.
    The church in my neighborhood brings in a lot of young people from Ireland. I suppose it is possible they are illegals. I never asked them to see their papers when they stop by.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    None of those apply, they are for individual cases. They do not authorize the Executive to create a new class of subscribed undeportables.
    Toobin.....another of the lefts own attorney's. Just got done stating it......that Congress can write up a law that overwrites BO's law over deportations. Plus not fund parts of the government related to this issue.

    He don't think anything can go to the courts over this. But said it doesn't need to. That Congress has several options open to them.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Toobin.....another of the lefts own attorney's. Just got done stating it......that Congress can write up a law that overwrites BO's law over deportations. Plus not fund parts of the government related to this issue.

    He don't think anything can go to the courts over this. But said it doesn't need to. That Congress has several options open to them.
    Time for the republicans to show a little strength and do it then.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Congressman Peter King Republican.....just said the House can write up a letter of disapproval and Censure. He would rather go that route than Going with the I- Word. As they don't want to do that.
    Let them do that then. Or is it gonna be like the great Bohner lawsuit?
    Lets see how far this one gets. I suspect they will be 0-2 with their petty threats.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    My understanding is that Reagan and Bush worked with congress to correct flaws which adversely affected families that were granted amnesty by congress in 1986. Obama has never worked with congress. He's a terrible president.
    When has this Congress ever worked with the President?
    This congress makes the do-nothing congress of Truman's time look like mighty successful .
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    When has this Congress ever worked with the President?
    This congress makes the do-nothing congress of Truman's time look like mighty successful .
    Well, you have a democrat senate to blame for that. The house has put forward over a hundred bills that never reached the floor of the senate because the democrat leadership wanted it that way.

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