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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Allow me to ask you a simple question and I hope you can answer it for me: Can you quote me the law which Obama has broken with these actions?

    Yes - I get it that the Congress writes the laws and the President carries them out or executes them. No problem. And that is why the entire growth of presidential power under both parties over the last several decades does indeed bother me. But what specific law has Obama broken with these actions now?
    Art 1 Sec 8

    The congress shall have the power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    8 U.S. Code § 1154

    Which has a whole load of laws passed by congress defining who can be called an immigrant.

    8 U.S. Code Chapter 12, Subchapter II - IMMIGRATION

    Which lays out all of the laws regarding immigration.

    8 U.S. Code § 1181

    Which blocks entry except in certain cases.

    More?

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    The comrades at the Daily Kos, Media Matters, or some other statist propaganda source must be putting out strategy tips for their cadres. The idea seems to be to try to force those who object to the Red King's edict to explain, in detail, exactly what statutes, etc. it violates. The goal is to obscure the enormity of the outrage their messiah has just perpetrated against this country, and they hope to achieve it by bogging down and ensnaring anyone who wants to fight against it in details.

    The members of Obama's rear guard want to make this out as nothing more than petty, partisan bitterness to draw attention away from the reality--what Mr. Obama has just done is an open assault on the Constitution and on the United States as a free country. No American should tolerate it, and those who support it should be ashamed to call themselves Americans. If, that is, they had any shame. They do not. All they care about, as they showed earlier with the Obamacare law, is getting the result they want, and democracy be damned. They share Obama's taste for totalitariansm and his contempt for this country, its Constitution, and the rule of law.

    Here's my answer: We are not in court, and I don't give a damn what specific laws he violated, or even if he violated any at all. No one needs to brief a case for the prosecution against this damned un-American liar to want his head on a pike. No one would need to do any of that even to impeach him, and I sure as hell am not about to try to do it here. It is more than enough to know Obama has grossly and repeatedly violated the public trust by abusing his power and showing contempt for the Constitution. He richly deserves to be impeached, and it is only the fact he is the first black President that is shielding him from it. That may change.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Art 1 Sec 8

    The congress shall have the power...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization.

    Amendment X

    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

    8 U.S. Code § 1154

    Which has a whole load of laws passed by congress defining who can be called an immigrant.

    8 U.S. Code Chapter 12, Subchapter II - IMMIGRATION

    Which lays out all of the laws regarding immigration.

    8 U.S. Code § 1181

    Which blocks entry except in certain cases.

    More?
    What I was hoping for was exact language to show the law Obama had violated. you giving me broad sections of codes is hardly that.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    So assuming that is accurate. Will it be easier to deport 5 million illegal aliens in three years, or is this just a ruse, and the truth is the President has granted a permanent modified amnesty?

    No amnesty has been granted, permanent or otherwise. This will give the Republicans a chance to pass the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill which the House has been sitting on for a year and a half. If they don't do it, there won't be another Republican President in the White House for many, many years.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Mornin' Juanita. This doesn't give him the Right to create any New Program.
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    Also his lame excuse as to Congress had failed to send him a bill......was just his usual. Another lie.


    Morning back atcha MMC...He didn't create any new programs! The House has been sitting on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill for a year and a half..so no, not a lie or a lame excuse.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh...I'll admit these people aren't as well-known nationally as, say, Al Sharpton...btw, now THERE'S a black activist we can all be proud of, eh? Trying to bilk the government out of millions and then blaming it on Republicans who don't like Obama because he's black. Talk about playing the race card, eh? Maybe they need to rise to Sharpton's level of black activism before they'll be noticed.



    Maybe they do!

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Maybe they do!
    Do you hate black people?...that you would recommend inflicting Sharpton on them?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    No amnesty has been granted, permanent or otherwise. This will give the Republicans a chance to pass the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill which the House has been sitting on for a year and a half. If they don't do it, there won't be another Republican President in the White House for many, many years.
    The Republican Congress, next year, will never pass that abomination the Democratic Senate sent to them last year. You can be sure of that.

    But what they DO send to Obama will be better and more effective because it'll START with border security and they'll go on from there.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    The cost for the Fed to run the background checks.....also with how many will need to be hired to look into those backgrounds. All the manhours too.



    Fail.....You can do a complete background check on the web for practically nothing... They won't be able to do it that easily, but someone else will and they will be overcharged dramatically.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    They are bi-Partisan in nature, and sit collecting dust on Reid's desk because he wanted to protect his members from having to actually make decisions on governance. The downside of that being that it was so easy to pin Senators with "Senator So-and-So voted with Obama 98.5% of the time..." ads this last cycle, and Democrat Senators in contested states didn't have anything they could point to to demonstrate independence.

    Boehner, on the other hand, has overseen an incredibly active House. Not only have they passed measures to reform entitlements (grabbing that Third Rail of Politics that is supposed to be so dangerous), he has also passed actual budgets, something the Senate hasn't even tried to get done.



    Well, perhaps if Boehner had brought the Senate's Immigration Bill to the floor for a vote, Reid would have brought some of Boehner's bills up as well. You think?

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