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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    That is where elections SHOULD come into play. If the congress devolves into such chaos then perhaps the sheeple will react and remove those that dabble in endless hearings on what the executive is up to and demand that their congress critters actually get to work and write sensible laws including the funding needed to enforce them. Everyone seems to agree that our current laws (and enforcement funding levels) have allowed 20 million illegal aliens to "slip through the cracks" and that the vast majority of them have jobs and obey at least some of the other laws. It is not the illegals that are to blame for gaming the system, but the system that is so easily gamed that is the problem.
    I certainly support Congress looking into the matter. My reservations are simple however: will Congress look only at their hated enemy who wields power that they object to the end result... or will Congress also look at the historical reason why he is able to do this and the role Congress played in enabling the President to do so?

    I know this is going to sound very politically incorrect - but I will venture to step into it anyways: let us say that a spouse comes to a point with their mate where they no longer have any interest in sex and they simply end that part of their relationship. Then, after a year or two of this, the other spouse goes outs and decides if there is no home cooking - they will get some fast food. So the offended spouse wants to hire a private investigator to nail the mate to the wall and provide evidence of the infidelity. What are the chances that the offended spouse will look at their own complicity, their own actions and their own role in helping to create this problem in the first place?

    I suspect the Congress in their possible investigations would be in a very similar position. And I further suspect nothing good or lasting would come from it and it would be very limited to "getting the bastard" that their sights are set upon. And when a new bastard from their own party comes in and does the same thing they will not be as prosecutorial nor as judgmental and will tend to look the other way.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Really?? Posting the link to an article that displays the viewpoint of black leaders is "playing the race card"??? LOL!!

    Now...for sure, this is a conservative group, but if you think nobody's heard of them...well, you would be more accurate if you said, "I haven't heard of them". Here is the bio of just one of this group's members:
    Horace taught constitutional law at George Mason University in Virginia and was general counsel to U.S. House Majority Leader Dick Armey.
    Yes, a black man who worked for Armey and was part of the Abramson scandal is certainly representative of the black population
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Obviously the answer is to arm every person with the biggest and baddest gun ever made and hunt these tyrants down like rabid dogs in the street talking the law into our own hands because we are all our own sovereign rulers.

    Now is that better for you?
    This is not a serious answer. You are a troll.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I would classify simple fraud, not only perjury, as a misdemeanor crime worthy of starting impeachment proceedings. When a POTUS states that congress must act (as I wish) or I will simply no longer keep my oath of office to enforce the standing constitutional laws of the nation that is enough, IMHO, to start the ball rolling. Whether that would ever carry the day in the Senate remains to be seen.
    There is no constitutional requirement to deport immigrants. In fact, there are solid arguments that the constitution doesn't grant the govt the power to deport immigrants.

    After all, the constitution doesn't say anything about immigration, now does it?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no constitutional requirement to deport immigrants. In fact, there are solid arguments that the constitution doesn't grant the govt the power to deport immigrants.

    After all, the constitution doesn't say anything about immigration, now does it?
    Are you saying that all deportations are unconstitutional? Let's impeach Obama for that then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is not a serious answer. You are a troll.
    I would think in your world and in your belief system and in your politics it is just the sort of answer that gets the true believers excited and stand at full attention.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Are you saying that all deportations are unconstitutional? Let's impeach Obama for that then.
    NO, I'm not saying that. Other people are.

    The argument depends on the notion that soveriegn nations have no implied powers; only those explicitly granted by the constitution. I do not believe in that nonsense, but many on the right do.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    NO, I'm not saying that. Other people are.

    The argument depends on the notion that soveriegn nations have no implied powers; only those explicitly granted by the constitution. I do not believe in that nonsense, but many on the right do.
    I think the idea of implied powers is nonsense. In fact, I'm sure it is.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I don't believe that the word "illegal" was ever used by the President!
    ....did you miss all those quotes I gave you? There are plenty more where they came from.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Reid has done the same thing as Boener regarding bills, but most of the bills passed by the House are nonsense bills that they knew in advance would never get through the senate.
    They are bi-Partisan in nature, and sit collecting dust on Reid's desk because he wanted to protect his members from having to actually make decisions on governance. The downside of that being that it was so easy to pin Senators with "Senator So-and-So voted with Obama 98.5% of the time..." ads this last cycle, and Democrat Senators in contested states didn't have anything they could point to to demonstrate independence.

    Boehner, on the other hand, has overseen an incredibly active House. Not only have they passed measures to reform entitlements (grabbing that Third Rail of Politics that is supposed to be so dangerous), he has also passed actual budgets, something the Senate hasn't even tried to get done.

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