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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I do not want to derail the discussion but I personally could not care less about what some dilettante said in their detached musings well over two centuries ago.
    I know. Tyrant supporters are always full of themselves. you are offended easily and, in my opinion, are the kind of person who "reports" others so I will have as little to do with you as possible.

    You seem to care little for the founding of this nation which may be why you care so little as a tyrant presides over its destruction.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Of course you bypassed the other relevant paragraph. It is a political act to solve a political problem. If a crime is also committed then there are two reasons to impeach. Either one is sufficient if the Congress and, ultimately, more than half of the people who vote, want someone impeached.
    Sorry but I do not subscribe to that interpretation. If we make the survival of every elected president a daily political problem subject to the impeachment process we are going down the road to failure as government.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry but I do not subscribe to that interpretation. If we make the survival of every elected president a daily political problem subject to the impeachment process we are going down the road to failure as government.
    Sorry is right.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I know. Tyrant supporters are always full of themselves. you are offended easily and, in my opinion, are the kind of person who "reports" others so I will have as little to do with you as possible.

    You seem to care little for the founding of this nation which may be why you care so little as a tyrant presides over its destruction.
    I really have no idea what you are talking about.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I really have no idea what you are talking about.
    Uh-huh. Moving on...

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Sorry is right.
    I believe your posts illustrate the perfect difference between a concerned citizen who views the accumulation of presidential power over the last several decades as a problem that needs to be dealt with in a sober and thoughtful fashion and the rabidly partisan political opportunist who simply wants to smash into politicians who they don't like because they do not prostrate themselves before the same altar and worship the same gods as they do.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    I would classify simple fraud, not only perjury, as a misdemeanor crime worthy of starting impeachment proceedings. When a POTUS states that congress must act (as I wish) or I will simply no longer keep my oath of office to enforce the standing constitutional laws of the nation that is enough, IMHO, to start the ball rolling. Whether that would ever carry the day in the Senate remains to be seen.
    We disagree on that. I believe your standard is too broad and too vague and would subject the nation to a potentially endless series of impeachment's which are largely motived by craven political purposes. Now please understand I am not accusing you of that as I see you as a far more thoughtful poster. But I think the door you open could quickly be entered by those far less noble and far less concerned with our Constitution and the government it provides for us.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I believe your posts illustrate the perfect difference between a concerned citizen who views the accumulation of presidential power over the last several decades as a problem that needs to be dealt with in a sober and thoughtful fashion and the rabidly partisan political opportunist who simply wants to smash into politicians who they don't like because they do not prostrate themselves before the same altar and worship the same gods as they do.
    And I think you support authoritarian statism so long as it moves in directions you prefer.

    Your response indicates that. It is this tyrant, today, that must be dealt with. Impeachment, conviction and removal from office is what you are looking for. It is thoughtful, deliberate, and sober.

    But your message above really implies that we should do nothing, doesn't it? No impeachment. No budget withholds. No withholding appointments. No withdrawal of approvals for the 500 independent agencies to be legislatures, executives and judges all in one tidy package.

    What would you do to stop this tyrant and his tyrannies?

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    And I think you support authoritarian statism so long as it moves in directions you prefer.

    Your response indicates that. It is this tyrant, today, that must be dealt with. Impeachment, conviction and removal from office is what you are looking for. It is thoughtful, deliberate, and sober.

    But your message above really implies that we should do nothing, doesn't it? No impeachment. No budget withholds. No withholding appointments. No withdrawal of approvals for the 500 independent agencies to be legislatures, executives and judges all in one tidy package.

    What would you do to stop this tyrant and his tyrannies?
    Obviously the answer is to arm every person with the biggest and baddest gun ever made and hunt these tyrants down like rabid dogs in the street talking the law into our own hands because we are all our own sovereign rulers.

    Now is that better for you?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    We disagree on that. I believe your standard is too broad and too vague and would subject the nation to a potentially endless series of impeachment's which are largely motived by craven political purposes. Now please understand I am not accusing you of that as I see you as a far more thoughtful poster. But I think the door you open could quickly be entered by those far less noble and far less concerned with our Constitution and the government it provides for us.
    That is where elections SHOULD come into play. If the congress devolves into such chaos then perhaps the sheeple will react and remove those that dabble in endless hearings on what the executive is up to and demand that their congress critters actually get to work and write sensible laws including the funding needed to enforce them. Everyone seems to agree that our current laws (and enforcement funding levels) have allowed 20 million illegal aliens to "slip through the cracks" and that the vast majority of them have jobs and obey at least some of the other laws. It is not the illegals that are to blame for gaming the system, but the system that is so easily gamed that is the problem.
    “The reasonable man adapts himself to the world: the unreasonable one persists to adapt the world to himself.
    Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man.” ― George Bernard Shaw, Man and Superman

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