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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Actually its my observation of the last six years.

    And I would contend a fairly accurate one.

    I wanted a President who would have broken off their raised middle finger and shoved it up their posterior. Sadly, Obama is not a street fightin man. Which only played into the hands of the GOP.
    Right, so youre cheering him on, the imperialism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    This Congress has refused to work with this President on most issues and, unfortunately, will continue to do so.
    That is within their power. And nothing is stopping voters from removing them from office. Just the contrary they elected MORE republicans to obstruct Obama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    He didn't DO anything. All he did was defer deportation for a short period of time.
    He is not enforcing the law, which requires punishment for entering the US without approval. He is also handing out work permits and other benefits, which citizens have earned.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Right, so youre cheering him on, the imperialism.
    Allow me to ask you a simple question and I hope you can answer it for me: Can you quote me the law which Obama has broken with these actions?

    Yes - I get it that the Congress writes the laws and the President carries them out or executes them. No problem. And that is why the entire growth of presidential power under both parties over the last several decades does indeed bother me. But what specific law has Obama broken with these actions now?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Allow me to ask you a simple question and I hope you can answer it for me: Can you quote me the law which Obama has broken with these actions?

    Yes - I get it that the Congress writes the laws and the President carries them out or executes them. No problem. And that is why the entire growth of presidential power under both parties over the last several decades does indeed bother me. But what specific law has Obama broken with these actions now?
    Is that law (the US constitution itself) not sufficient for you?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Is that law (the US constitution itself) not sufficient for you?
    To be honest with you - no it is not as we can all argue all day and through the week about what it actually means and if the Constitution has actually become incidental to the entire issue since events of history has supplanted much of it regarding the power of the President.

    So I ask again to get to the heart of the matter - what specific law has Obama broken with these actions?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    To be honest with you - no it is not as we can all argue all day and through the week about what it actually means and if the Constitution has actually become incidental to the entire issue since events of history has supplanted much of it regarding the power of the President.

    So I ask again to get to the heart of the matter - what specific law has Obama broken with these actions?
    None. No POTUS would ever sign a specific law allowing that congress critters may arrest him or limit his power. So far, our congress critters have not even attempted to write such a law - leaving only the impeachment process, constitutional amendment and, to a much lesser extent, judicial action as a realistic check on presidential power.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    None. No POTUS would ever sign a specific law allowing that congress critters may arrest him or limit his power. So far, our congress critters have not even attempted to write such a law - leaving only the impeachment process, constitutional amendment and, to a much lesser extent, judicial action as a realistic check on presidential power.
    And I think that is the point here. I have little doubt that tons of attorney hours were spent going over every single thing Obama said he was going to do and the conclusion was its all legal........ or at least not illegal. And impeachment needs a crime at its center.

    I join with my conservative brothers and sisters in wanting an end to the imperial presidency and the expansion of executive power that we have seen for far too long now. But I think the way to achieve it is something you touched upon - Constitutional Amendment. Without that we simply see the continuation of it by presidents from both parties and their allies - willing or less than willing - in the Congress who will go along to get along or see it as some sort of crisis or emergency so they look the other way while precedent is set against their own powers.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I think that is the point here. I have little doubt that tons of attorney hours were spent going over every single thing Obama said he was going to do and the conclusion was its all legal........ or at least not illegal. And impeachment needs a crime at its center.

    I join with my conservative brothers and sisters in wanting an end to the imperial presidency and the expansion of executive power that we have seen for far too long now. But I think the way to achieve it is something you touched upon - Constitutional Amendment. Without that we simply see the continuation of it by presidents from both parties and their allies - willing or less than willing - in the Congress who will go along to get along or see it as some sort of crisis or emergency so they look the other way while precedent is set against their own powers.
    An interesting take on many legal theories about presedential impeachment is in this link:

    Presidential Impeachment: The Legal Standard and Procedure - FindLaw
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And I think that is the point here. I have little doubt that tons of attorney hours were spent going over every single thing Obama said he was going to do and the conclusion was its all legal........ or at least not illegal. And impeachment needs a crime at its center.

    I join with my conservative brothers and sisters in wanting an end to the imperial presidency and the expansion of executive power that we have seen for far too long now. But I think the way to achieve it is something you touched upon - Constitutional Amendment. Without that we simply see the continuation of it by presidents from both parties and their allies - willing or less than willing - in the Congress who will go along to get along or see it as some sort of crisis or emergency so they look the other way while precedent is set against their own powers.
    Impeachment is a political act to solve a political problem. It requires no crime. It requires only high crimes and misdemeanors.

    The Article V Convention of States was written into the Constitution for this purpose, that the people should not lose their country because of the growth of federal tyranny. We are here. We have a tyrant and he is not stoppable by a weak, pathetic Congress. Americans rebel slowly. Article V is our last, best hope for restoring the nation short of war.

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