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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Not every undocumented person in the U.S. lives in So.Cal.!
    Nor does every forged document creator!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    I believe that he said three years.
    So assuming that is accurate. Will it be easier to deport 5 million illegal aliens in three years, or is this just a ruse, and the truth is the President has granted a permanent modified amnesty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    It's not dishonest because you say it is. Please point to a time in recent history where the government was more partisan and more dysfunctional.
    YOu have a point about recent history. I am 65 years old and have avidly been following politics since I was a teen and cannot remember a period of such division and outright hatred for the other side. Much of it has to do with the purging of both parties of their opposite wings - GOP has lost its liberals while the Dems have lost its conservative wing.... and to some extent lots of moderates as well in both parties. This is as a result of the worst sort of gerrymandering which benefits members of both parties creating safe non competitive seats. Then we have the politicizing of the news and media which only allows a person to wallow in their own ideology without having to feel threatened by a different voice telling them things that might be challenging to their belief system.

    I think you have to go back to the period before the Civil War to find a comparable period of such hatred and division. When I taught US History for many years, we had a textbook with a chapter on that period titled THE FAILURE OF THE POLITICIANS. Very accurate title which seems to fit today as well.

    Sadly, we know how all that turned out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    YOu have a point about recent history. I am 65 years old and have avidly been following politics since I was a teen and cannot remember a period of such division and outright hatred for the other side. Much of it has to do with the purging of both parties of their opposite wings - GOP has lost its liberals while the Dems have lost its conservative wing.... and to some extent lots of moderates as well in both parties. This is as a result of the worst sort of gerrymandering which benefits members of both parties creating safe non competitive seats. Then we have the politicizing of the news and media which only allows a person to wallow in their own ideology without having to feel threatened by a different voice telling them things that might be challenging to their belief system.

    I think you have to go back to the period before the Civil War to find a comparable period of such hatred and division. When I taught US History for many years, we had a textbook with a chapter on that period titled THE FAILURE OF THE POLITICIANS. Very accurate title which seems to fit today as well.

    Sadly, we know how all that turned out.
    You bring up an interesting point,which is 24 hour news channels. They have so much time to fill they use entertainment, drama, sensationalism and opinion to fill the airwaves. I'll admit that I enjoy some of that but it helps to solidify opinions one side or the other of a topic. in general I think that adds to the polarization of the electorate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, yes we know you enjoy making subjective statements which can't be proven one way or another.
    It is my observation. If you really cared you know you can find anything on the net. Satisfy your curiosity. Other than that, thanks for the input.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    From day one of Obama's 1st term Limbaugh and the party he leads, the G-nO-P, have hoped that America would fail to recover from the depression that Bush mis-led America into so that they could say Obama had failed.

    But America didn't fail, and Obama hasn't failed. Whether you like it or not he'll be leading the USA until another Democrat takes his place.

    Deal with it.
    I agree with you that Obama hasn't failed. America and American government is failing. Real unemployment is in double digits, although what the government reports is around 6%. Food stamp consumption is at an all time high. We just imported millions of Central Americans who will be a drain on our economy, some of whom carry the enterovirus causing an outbreak in public schools. Internationally we've ruined relationships with our ally's, emboldened our enemies, lost the peace in Iraq and sent high ranking terrorists back to the fight in the Middle East.

    Obama has been a success. His plan for the destruction of America is well underway.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Well, it doesn't matter who it was directed to. It "is" a public forum. It may have been useless to you, but who really cares.
    Your're right...when you post stuff like that, who cares?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    As the President is the one who has undocumented people deported, he is certainly the one who can defer such deportations.
    Mornin' Juanita. This doesn't give him the Right to create any New Program.

    Also his lame excuse as to Congress had failed to send him a bill......was just his usual. Another lie.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Yes, they're a group of black conservatives nobody has heard about. The fact that you think Democrats will lose the black vote because an unknown black conservative group doesn't like something Obama is saying is laughable.



    Black leaders? They're literally an unknown group that nobody has heard of. What rallies have they conducted? What dinner events have they hosted? What community are they known in? What neighborhood have they set up shop up? Hell, have you taken a look at their website? An html website claiming a lot of things for people who nobody has ever heard of before this. Be honest, had you heard of this group before this?



    I haven't heard of them? Seems like nobody has. I went and looked up news reports about anything they'd done in the past 3 years. They're only mentioned on a blog (run by one of its members), an O'Reilley appearance a year ago and this Horace Cooper pled guilty in the Jack Abramoff scandal. Lol. You've got to be kidding if you think these people are a sign that the black community will turn its back on Democrats.
    Oh...I'll admit these people aren't as well-known nationally as, say, Al Sharpton...btw, now THERE'S a black activist we can all be proud of, eh? Trying to bilk the government out of millions and then blaming it on Republicans who don't like Obama because he's black. Talk about playing the race card, eh? Maybe they need to rise to Sharpton's level of black activism before they'll be noticed.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Reid has done the same thing as Boener regarding bills, but most of the bills passed by the House are nonsense bills that they knew in advance would never get through the senate.
    I refer to my earlier post on this.

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    That's not true in any sense, by any measure.

    Senate sitting on 290 bills already passed by House; tension mounts | TheHill

    Even the House Democrats complain about the bi-partisan supported bills passed by the House that went to die in Harry Reid's desk and his Senate.

    So non sequitur, your facts are confused.
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