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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    I selected the first choice in the poll.

    Now...he is about to give his speech...in minutes. But he has released his talking points to the media so we know what he's going to do.

    The definite illegal action he is going to announce is that he's going to give work permits to millions of illegal aliens. He's not going to give them amnesty. The problem is that there are laws that define the procedures for awarding work permits. He is going to ignore those laws.

    No matter what kind of spin he produces, he cannot justify breaking the law.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Practically speaking granting amnesty, which the Constitution clearly empowers the POTUS to perform, wouldn't accomplish anything. People who are here illegally are perpetually breaking the law. Yeah, the POTUS could say "you're pardoned for your past crimes", but they'd be guilty of the same crime the following day. The only way amnesty would have any lasting effect is if it also included legalizing documentation, but POTUS does not have the authority to grant that.

    So that leaves Obama doing what every leader of law enforcement ends up doing: prioritizing where enforcement assets concentrate their work. Obama saying "felons, not families" is absolutely no different than any police chief or sheriff saying "murderers, not jay-walkers". It's discretion that all law enforcement leadership has regardless of what laws have been written. They need that discretion to function day-to-day, in a world of limited money and assets. Simple prioritization. It's not a strange concept. We each exercise the same thing on a regular basis. Companies exercise it. It's everywhere.

    P.S. Caveat: POTUS doesn't have explicit Constitutional authority to grant legalizing papers, but he is in charge of the departments that do per the Constitution and previously passed Congressional laws. That might give him the indirect authority to grant them. I haven't researched into it enough to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.
    Don't bother with the spin. Obama is doing well enough on his own right now in that respect.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    The Congressional branch of government writes the laws.

    The executive branch of government enforces the laws passed by Congress.

    The liberal judicial activist judges legislate from the bench.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Don't bother with the spin. Obama is doing well enough on his own right now in that respect.
    Yeah, he is going on and on what he has seen, and now its story time.

    Now he cites Scripture to and ends about how we always have been.

    Immediately Blitzer says 5 million made legal temporarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Don't bother with the spin. Obama is doing well enough on his own right now in that respect.

    Now consider immigration. Many Republicans and conservatives are upset with the Administration’s approach to immigration, in particular the deferred deportation of illegal immigrants. There may well be good policy arguments against Obama’s policies, but there’s a strong case the actual law is on the president’s side. As Shikha Dalmia writes in the Washington Examiner, even some conservative immigration law experts believe the president has been acting within the scope of authority delegated to the executive branch by Congress — and that there is room for the president to go even further should he so desire. In response to claims that President Obama has exceeded his authority in immigration, Dalmia writes:

    Margaret Stock, a Republican immigration lawyer and a Federalist Society member, notes that such accusations don’t appreciate that all this is fully authorized by those laws. “The Immigration and Nationality Act and other laws are chock-full of huge grants of statutory authority to the president,” she explains, a point also emphasized by the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service in its 2013 brief. “Congress gave the president all these powers, and now they are upset because he wants to use them. Other presidents have used the same authority in the past without an outcry.”

    Most accept that the discretion that the executive branch enjoys in enforcing immigration law is as broad as what prosecutors enjoy in criminal law. And the reason is the same: More offenders than means to prosecute makes drastic prioritization necessary. . . . .

    for over 50 years, every president has used his prosecutorial discretion to let some foreigners stay – and not just a few individuals but entire groups. John F. Kennedy used executive authority to prevent thousands of Cubans from being deported, as did Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton. George W. Bush used it to temporarily protect illegals stuck in Hurricane Katrina-stricken areas.

    Sure, Obama is hinting at going further. But nothing he’s proposing comes close to exceeding the powers Congress has granted him, let alone constituting an “extraordinary abuse of power.”

    The point here, as in my post chiding some of the president’s defenders, is that the legal details matter. Immigration law is an area in which — for good or ill — Congress has given the executive wide latitude. Under some other laws, including the PPACA, Congress was not so generous. In evaluating claims of executive overreach it is important to consider the relevant statutes, as whether the President is exceeding his bounds largely depends on the nature and scope of the power Congress delegated in the first place.
    Not everything the president wants to do is illegal - The Washington Post


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Congressional branch of government writes the laws.

    The executive branch of government enforces the laws passed by Congress.

    The liberal judicial activist judges legislate from the bench.

    Gingrich slams him as being totally dishonest to the American people.

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    Gingrich also slammed Reagan and House leaderdship on his way to the Speakership himself.
    Why was Mr. "right-wing social engineering" replaced as Speaker by Speaker Hastert of Yorkville, IL ?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by APACHERAT View Post
    The Congressional branch of government writes the laws.
    Well actually, this one doesn't and prides itself in that.

    Let's see how the liberal Supreme Court goes against 'prosecutorial discretion" !
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