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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%

  • Total voters
    74
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:stooges

I wouldn't exactly call that immigration reform!

None of them do anything to deal with the immigrants who are already here.

But that's haaaaaard.

The GOP wants easy, because they don't get many votes as it is.

Now just think...if little stuff like that gets tossed in the circular file by Harry, what would he do with "real" immigration reform?

LOL!! And you all complain the GOP doesn't do anything.

Oh, well...Harry's days are numbered.
 
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But that's haaaaaard.

The GOP wants easy, because they don't get many votes as it is.

That is spot on.

In another thread, a right winger is arguing that the House doesn't want to pass the Senates comprehensive reform bill because it's too long and complicated.
 
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Now just think...if little stuff like that gets tossed in the circular file by Harry, what would he do with "real" immigration reform?

The question is "What to do about the immigrants who are already here?"

Bills that do nothing to address the question belong in the circular file.

The repubs keep throwing conniptions about the immigrants who are already here but have no ideas about what to do about them.
 
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That is spot on.

In another thread, a right winger is arguing that the House doesn't want to pass the Senates comprehensive reform bill because it's too long and complicated.

Yes. Remember some nutty GOPers pledge to keep all bills at three pages or less?
 
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Yes. Remember some nutty GOPers pledge to keep all bills at three pages or less?

I like the idea of one bill for one law and no bill may proceed to the floor until 10K randomly selected 10th graders pass a written test where 95% of them can agree to its meaning.

Gruber would have a much harder time if the law had to be understandable by anyone.
 
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The question is "What to do about the immigrants who are already here?"

Bills that do nothing to address the question belong in the circular file.

The repubs keep throwing conniptions about the immigrants who are already here but have no ideas about what to do about them.
Why do anything about them? Point the law at those who enable them. Punish the employers with prison time and fines. Make it proportional. One month of prison and 10K fine for each illegal alien employed.

Do the same for government workers. If a government worker allows an illegal alien to get a drivers license then put the one who allowed it in prison along with every supervisor up to the governor. One month each plus an $10K fine for each for each illegal alien who receives a license.

Eliminate anchor babies and chain migration. Stop legal immigration as well until all current immigrants have assimilated.
 
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Why do anything about them? Point the law at those who enable them. Punish the employers with prison time and fines. Make it proportional. One month of prison and 10K fine for each illegal alien employed.

Do the same for government workers. If a government worker allows an illegal alien to get a drivers license then put the one who allowed it in prison along with every supervisor up to the governor. One month each plus an $10K fine for each for each illegal alien who receives a license.

Eliminate anchor babies and chain migration. Stop legal immigration as well until all current immigrants have assimilated.

Totally agree on the 'anchor baby' nonsense. As to punishing employers.....what do you do when they show you the properly completed I-9 with a photocopy of Juan's 'green card' (fake)?
 
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I like the idea of one bill for one law and no bill may proceed to the floor until 10K randomly selected 10th graders pass a written test where 95% of them can agree to its meaning.
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But then the GOP congressmen might not understand it.
 
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Why do anything about them? Point the law at those who enable them. Punish the employers with prison time and fines. Make it proportional. One month of prison and 10K fine for each illegal alien employed.

Do the same for government workers. If a government worker allows an illegal alien to get a drivers license then put the one who allowed it in prison along with every supervisor up to the governor. One month each plus an $10K fine for each for each illegal alien who receives a license.

Eliminate anchor babies and chain migration. Stop legal immigration as well until all current immigrants have assimilated.

Asks "Why do anything about them?"

Suggests what to do about them
 
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Asks "Why do anything about them?"

Suggests what to do about them
Not about them. There is no need to take any other actions against illegal aliens. It is about the enablers.

Reading, when done properly, is your friend.
 
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Totally agree on the 'anchor baby' nonsense. As to punishing employers.....what do you do when they show you the properly completed I-9 with a photocopy of Juan's 'green card' (fake)?
Punish them. They will be very careful the next time.
 
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The question is "What to do about the immigrants who are already here?"

Bills that do nothing to address the question belong in the circular file.

The repubs keep throwing conniptions about the immigrants who are already here but have no ideas about what to do about them.

Oh....there's a whole lot more to immigration reform than just the people who snuck in illegally, so we need more than just some amnesty bill. In fact, before we deal with those who are already here, we need to make sure they can't sneak back in once we DO get around to dealing with them.
 
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Oh....there's a whole lot more to immigration reform than just the people who snuck in illegally, so we need more than just some amnesty bill. In fact, before we deal with those who are already here, we need to make sure they can't sneak back in once we DO get around to dealing with them.

walls are not the answer.
 
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Not about them. There is no need to take any other actions against illegal aliens. It is about the enablers.

Reading, when done properly, is your friend.

The actions you suggest are motivated by the desire to do something about them
 
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That is spot on.

In another thread, a right winger is arguing that the House doesn't want to pass the Senates comprehensive reform bill because it's too long and complicated.

It's not that it's too complicated, it's that it is too ****ing long. The Senate threw everything in...including the kitchen sink. It's like Obamacare and Obama wants the House Republicans to pass it before they know what's in it. The Democrats were comfortable doing that with Obamacare. The Republicans won't do that with immigration reform.
 
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Oh....there's a whole lot more to immigration reform than just the people who snuck in illegally, so we need more than just some amnesty bill. In fact, before we deal with those who are already here, we need to make sure they can't sneak back in once we DO get around to dealing with them.

The bill that passed the senate does more than just provide a path to citizenship
 
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The bill that passed the senate does more than just provide a path to citizenship

That's the problem.

It wants to fix everything and ends up fixing nothing. Just like what Obamacare did for health care reform.
 
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It's not that it's too complicated, it's that it is too ****ing long. The Senate threw everything in...including the kitchen sink. It's like Obamacare and Obama wants the House Republicans to pass it before they know what's in it. The Democrats were comfortable doing that with Obamacare. The Republicans won't do that with immigration reform.

its supposed to be comprehensive.
 
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Yes, it's terrible to try to fix more than one problem at a time.

Yes, everyone knows that complex problems have simple solutions. :roll:

Well, I know you want to go on and on and on with your snappy rejoinders, but I just got home from Thanksgiving dinner and I'm going to take a nap. You'll just have to find someone else to spar with. Sorry about that. (but I'm not really sorry, you know)
 
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