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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Anyone interested in limited government has to limit the power given to states. I don't see how you can have unlimited power on one side and limited power on the other and not have enormous government pretty quick.
    I have to disagree with you.

    There isn't anything in the Constitution that limits the power "given" to the States. In fact, the Constitution says that the States...and the People...HAVE all the power that is not reserved, by the Constitution, for the federal government.

    You talk about "one side" and "the other". It's not a contest between the federal government and the States...or, at least, it was never intended to be. Big federal government Congresses and Presidents HAVE made it a contest over the years. That's unfortunate.

    A State with a big government only affects that State. Citizens of that State, if they don't like the government, are free to try to change it or to move elsewhere. A big federal government, on the other hand, affects the whole country...AND the States. The best solution is to keep the federal government small and limited and let the citizens of the various States decide for themselves how big they want their State government to be.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    For all your blather about tyrants and the Third Reich, I'm still waiting for you to post an argument containing a legal arguement that shows Obama did anything illegal here
    You've got a long wait. I save my arguments about constitutional law for people who either know something about it or want to learn.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I see the Liar-in-Chief's fanny-covering squads are working overtime to cook up more batches of baloney. For pointers, they might want to watch some tapes of Lois "I Take the Fifth" Lerner lying about the grotesque, Nixon-like abuse of the IRS to persecute President Pinocchio's political enemies. Or, they could polish their technique by listening to Hillary "What Difference Does it Make" Clinton rattle off whoppers to explain away the jihadist murders of Americans in Benghazi, part of the fallout from Mr. Obama's private war in Libya. But if you really want to learn how to defend a damned lying tyrant with creative bull, as Pinocchio's sycophants are determined to do, you've got to study the master--Joseph Goebbels.

    For example, Goebbels' use of trumped-up provocations by Czechoslovakia to justify invading it in 1938 was a stroke of genius. The story was fed to the German people in the papers, on radio, and in newsreels. Our blood brothers in the Sudetenland were being mistreated by the vile, arrogant Czechs! As part of the German Volk, they were looking to the Vaterland for help! The belligerent Czechs continued to commit armed provocations against the Vaterland, all along the border! Germans were being killed! Our peace-loving Fuhrer showed the utmost restraint, but finally the outrages became unendurable, and he had no choice but to act! And when the heroic German forces swept in to their rescue, our Sudeten brothers and sisters wept with joy--reunited, at last, with the Vaterland!
    Hmm. That's a very disturbing historical parallel, and some would dismiss it out of hand. I'm concerned that it's far closer to the uncomfortable truth than not.

    If the news media is a tool (like a gun), and the tool is used to do harm, do you blame the tool or do you blame the tool user?

    In this case, I think it fair to blame both the tool (news media are people who choose) and the tool user (Obama and the Democrats).

    Match, would you say that the media is as complicit with Obama and his agenda as ever? Or do you think that they've woken up back up? Sometimes I wonder if they have woken up form their messiah adoring, parroting issued talking points slumber.

    All we'd have to imagine is a Republican president taken the same or similar action, an the out rage they'd no doubt express. But an against Obama? Hardly it seems.

    MEGYN KELLY, HOST: Constitutional lawyer Jonathan Turley who is a liberal has been warning against the dangers of executive overreach for over a year now even testifying before Congress. Watch.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIPS)

    JONATHAN TURLEY, CONSTITUTIONAL ATTORNEY, DEC. 3, 2013: You have the rise of an uber presidency. There could be no greater danger for individual liberty. And I really think that the framers would be horrified.

    TURLEY, FEB. 26: I believe we are now in a constitutional tipping point in our system. It's a dangerous point for our system to be in.

    TURLEY, JULY 16: He has said that he's going to resolve the deadlock in Congress, the division with Congress, by ordering changes on his own terms as a majority of one. That's what makes it dangerous.
    Turley: Democrats creating 'dangerous' Obama 'uber presidency'

    The assessment of a liberal and well respected Constitutional lawyer, Jonathan Turley

    Turley: Obama The President That Richard Nixon Always Wanted To Be

    How long before the rest of the liberals throw their own under a bus, shouting him down, assassinating his character in a barrage of personal attacks?

    I believe this is what you get when you combine a narcissistic and opportunistic politician with a complicit media that servers more as presidential media bodyguard (Ministry of Truth) than journalists.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I have to disagree with you.

    There isn't anything in the Constitution that limits the power "given" to the States. In fact, the Constitution says that the States...and the People...HAVE all the power that is not reserved, by the Constitution, for the federal government.

    You talk about "one side" and "the other". It's not a contest between the federal government and the States...or, at least, it was never intended to be. Big federal government Congresses and Presidents HAVE made it a contest over the years. That's unfortunate.

    A State with a big government only affects that State. Citizens of that State, if they don't like the government, are free to try to change it or to move elsewhere. A big federal government, on the other hand, affects the whole country...AND the States. The best solution is to keep the federal government small and limited and let the citizens of the various States decide for themselves how big they want their State government to be.
    Exactly right. The states have sovereign powers. They and their people saw fit, in the Constitution, to give the United States certain limited, enumerated powers and to deny a few others that would conflict with them (e.g. making treaties, coining money) to themselves. All powers other than those, they retained. In our system, the states and the United States form separate but overlapping spheres of power--we have a federal government, and not a national one. That de-centralized scheme is usually called "federalism." Federalism is a structural feature of the Constitution that is underscored by the Tenth Amendment. The Supreme Court reaffirmed all this in two 1990's decisions, New York v. U.S. and Printz v. U.S.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What's good for the goose...


    it is obvious that he didn't "get" your first inference to Bush's lies, so won't "get" this one either.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This will cost the nation Nimby. It will cost you personally one way or another. This diminishes the nation. The rule of law is gone. The Constitution was voided. The chief executive is a lawless thug. The Congress is weak and effeminate.

    If you work your wages were suppressed. We have lost our sovereignty. We are poised to lose our culture and our language.

    I understand why liberals cheer. Everything you want will happen. In a decade the nation will be solidly one party ruled. Every liberal dream will come true. The wealthy who can leave will do so. You will have the socialism you desire.

    Everyone not in the ruling class will be equal in their misery.

    Hooray for your side.

    Arm up.


    Sounds like a meltdown!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    it is obvious that he didn't "get" your first inference to Bush's lies, so won't "get" this one either.
    You should know from my responses to him that I DID get his inferences...and that I dismissed them out of hand as deflections.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Or the republican agenda
    So that's why there was a Republican landslide victory?

    Talk about denial...
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Defunding the left means far more than not funding to provide millions of green cards. I want the EPA to die on the vine. I want the Education department to die. I want white house travel curtailed. I want NPR defunded. I want every single leftist program that the Congress can defund to be defunded.

    I want the Congress to refuse to sit any of Obama's appointees. I want to seed the judiciary defunded, dissolved and the liberal judges thrown out.

    This is war. I prefer it stay a war of non-lethal actions for as long as possible.


    Definitely a full blown meltdown! War? Non lethal for as long as possible? What then?

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Are you another who foolishly believes the way to stop a tyrant is to do nothing?

    Impeach the Tyrant. Convict the Tyrant. Throw the Tyrant out of office. Then arrest him and try him for treason, for waging war against the American citizen. Treason deserves capital punishment. But a life in jail for the traitor would be acceptable.

    Then go after all who aided and abetted his actions.


    You are so far to the right that you are hanging on by a thread! That is not a good place to be.

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