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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You really think so? I am kind of indifferent on the whole thing. Unless it is proven to me that that this executive order was unconstitutional, it doesn't bother me much at all. Sort of politics as usual.

    I am interested to find out how much leeway the 1986 law gave the executive branch to carry out the law. But too darn lazy to try to find out. Sort of indifferent at this point.

    But with the attention span of the American voter being short and their concentration on what have you done for me lately, I do not see it being an election issue in 2016.
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    To whose benefit? GOP or Dems? From a realistic standpoint, the turnout in a Presidential election will be higher which is a benefit to democrats. That combined with so many GOP senators up for reelection and fewer dems... I think the GOP has to get it exactly right. I think quietly pursuing a judicial resolution on the EO issue rather than grandstanding and shutting down the government is politically a good move while sending a real immigration bill to the President and daring him not to sign it. They should pile those bills up on the President's desk for veto- making Obama the party of "no."

    Who might ultimately benefit is still not clear. It depends upon the Republican's response, their actions, liberal spin and media support for one side or the other.

    But, with the polls concerning public reaction to this action of Obama's, it's clear he is on the losing end. Couple that with the fact that every Democrat will be affected by Obama's Presidential record...especial the Democratic nominee for President...you can be sure this stuff is going to affect them. The Republicans will try to make sure of that.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Sabanist View Post
    You got what you wanted, after the election you Re seeing the result. Congrats. Now it will be a long time before the libs can do further damage
    Not by any stretch. What I wanted was for that to happen six years ago. If it did, this would NOT be happening now. But that is the fault of Obama and his timidity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Who might ultimately benefit is still not clear. It depends upon the Republican's response, their actions, liberal spin and media support for one side or the other.

    But, with the polls concerning public reaction to this action of Obama's, it's clear he is on the losing end. Couple that with the fact that every Democrat will be affected by Obama's Presidential record...especial the Democratic nominee for President...you can be sure this stuff is going to affect them. The Republicans will try to make sure of that.
    Okay, to a certain extent that is true. That is if as I see it Obama fatigue has begun to set in as Bush fatigue did back in 2006. This one incident, if the GOP goes after it full fledged that will likely hurt them much more than Obama and the Democrats. We just had an election where 45% of voters said their number one issue was the economy and 78% said they were worried about the economy in the future. Doing this immigration thing I thought was stupid on Obama's part especially when the people said to concentrate on the economy. Now going after Obama may be even more stupid on the Republicans part. Time will tell.

    But in 2013 at the end of the government shutdown, every pundit in the world was saying the Republicans would pay the price in November of 14. So how did that turn out?
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    How do illegal aliens provide paycheck stubs when they aren't authorized to work in the US and don't pay social security or other payroll taxes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    In other words, he lied back then, right? I mean, do you think it's reasonable that he's able to understand the law now...but couldn't understand the law back then? Heck, it makes me wonder if he even understands the law now.

    But, hey...if he says it, it's true, right? Even if it's not.
    Truth has nothing to do with the liberal agenda.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    You've got it backwards. The G-nO-P has never worked with Obama since he was 1st elected to the White House.

    I predict that the GOP will have no success overturning any of Obama's actions and their efforts to do so will hurt the GOP in future elections.
    Sorry, you are mistaken. When Bush was elected, if you will remember, he tried to become close friends with Teddy Kennedy. He had him to the White House for bowling and movies. Then Kennedy stabbed him in the back. Obama never made that effort with Democrats, let alone Republicans. His first major legislative push was Obamacare. Please tell me how to use bi partisan and Obamacare in a sentence that makes just a little bit of sense. Certainly Republicans didn't support Obama's bad idea, which by the way were legion. Rush Limbaugh said it best when he said that he hoped Obama would fail. Obama's failure is success for America, although unfortunately he has been too successful in much of his agenda.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Liberals said the same thing about Bush. So the pendulum swings.
    Usually the pendulum swings back and forth. The partisanship of the Bush administration has intensified under Obama.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Another point is that he has a new congress, the honest thing to do would have been to wait.


    He's a douchebag, and an authoritarian who shat upon the constitution.
    It's not like Obama didn't receive a clear message regarding his policies from the will of the people during the recent election cycle.

    He has no interest in working with anyone, just furthering his own agenda.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    It's not like Obama didn't receive a clear message regarding his policies from the will of the people during the recent election cycle.

    He has no interest in working with anyone, just furthering his own agenda.
    Greetings, Mo.

    Obama promised as a candidate running for President in 2008 to have an immigration bill during his first year in office and to move forward on it quickly. He never kept that promise to the Latino community, even though both the House and Senate were Dem controlled. He concentrated on Obamacare instead. Now he is making new promises to them, but the House and Senate will be Repub controlled. I wonder how many will believe him this time around?

    On children immigrants, he referred to them as a "brief spike." In actual fact, the number of unaccompanied children has been on the rise since the 2011 budget year. That year, about 16,000 children were found crossing the border alone. In 2012 the Border Patrol reported more than 24,000, and more than 38,800 in 2013. So far this budget year, more than 68,361 were apprehended. That's not a "brief spike" by anyone's understanding! Does this mean that any parents that care about their children will soon be following them? It is beyond my understanding how they could allow their children, some very young, to go in the first place! We watch our children with a hawk eye at a local playground! Sheesh!

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I hope everyone is taking notice of the posters who support this attack on the foundations of the United States. I don't give a damn what immigration policy they think should be followed. I don't give a damn who their hearts bleed for. I don't give a damn how nice and reasonable they think this man was in his speech. This is about something much more basic.

    Either we are dedicated to living under the authority of our Constitution and the rule of law, or we can no longer seriously call this a free country. The sickening fact is that the U.S. now seems to be infested by millions of drones who not only refuse to condemn an open act of tyranny by a President of the United States, but approve of it. This damned shameless liar himself has been saying dozens of times, for years, that he had no authority to do the very thing he has just done.


    Tyranny? What exactly did he do to cause such consternation?? Did he give blanket amnesty to anyone? All he did was deferr deportation of some undocumented people, which is well within his authority, as he is the one that has them deported. This is a temporary measure, which will save some parents from being snatched away from their children.

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