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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I never said I support the speech or the decision. I was merely making an observation and then asking a question.
    Why, of course. Who could ever have thought anything else?

    Do you support your President's decision?


    I do have serious questions about an imperial presidency and any president taking authority upon himself that is questionable. Sadly, for too many, those questions seem to come and go as they occupy and vacate the White House.
    You, of course, don't count yourself among those "too many."

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There's nothing extra-constitutional about it.

    look you may be far more authoritarian than I. Even Obama on 22 occasions has stated he does not have the authority to legislate on immigration, it's a clear violation of separation of powers and is an affront to the principles this country was founded on.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I posted a link with a detailed explanation for the legal justification for Obama's action. It was signed by dozens of legal scholars who are experts in the matter. You ignored them

    Be honest. The only opinions you will listen to are those that already agree with you
    Be honest. The only opinions you will listen to are those that already agree with you. That's why you ignored the opinions I posted by expert legal scholars.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    But of course there was an urgency!

    Obama had to get this in place before the new congress was in session and he had to do something to stem his sliding poll numbers.
    That's awfully urgent, even if it's in his mind only.


    can you believe he was able to say with a straight face that he did all he could to shut down the borders?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Why, of course. Who could ever have thought anything else?

    Do you support your President's decision?




    You, of course, don't count yourself among those "too many."
    I want to learn more about it and hear some opinions from Constitutional experts before I weigh in on one side or the other. My comment was about the politics of it all - not the constitutional issues.

    This is quite interesting

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/v...e-rule-of-law/
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    look you may be far more authoritarian than I. Even Obama on 22 occasions has stated he does not have the authority to legislate on immigration, it's a clear violation of separation of powers and is an affront to the principles this country was founded on.
    He doesn't have the authority to legislate.

    Good thing he hasn't legislated.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    look you may be far more authoritarian than I. Even Obama on 22 occasions has stated he does not have the authority to legislate on immigration, it's a clear violation of separation of powers and is an affront to the principles this country was founded on.
    From what I've seen, without referring to any particular persons, collectivists tend to have a strongly undemocratic, totalitarian streak. And they usually try to hide it by attributing that very characteristic to conservatives, while pretending to take the side of this or that poor, disadvantaged group against these jackbooted brutes.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Be honest. The only opinions you will listen to are those that already agree with you. That's why you ignored the opinions I posted by expert legal scholars.
    I didn't ignore any legal scholars opinions. I have dismissed them because their opinions lack any legal reasoning. Instead, they argue irrelevancies such as "it's a bad policy" or "other presidents worked with congress" etc, none of which have nothing to do with the legality of Obama's actions.

    But if you know of a legal scholar who has made a legal argument as to why the president's actions are illegal, feel free to post them.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You didn't read his words, did you?

    Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

    With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed — and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

    There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.“


    Whether talking about students or housewives is irrelevant. Those were his words.

    His words in 2011 were different than his words last night. You know it, but your obscene partisanship prohibits you from honestly admitting that.
    His words were different than last night, you are correct about that. Last night he was not answering a question about protecting a group of people like students.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    can you believe he was able to say with a straight face that he did all he could to shut down the borders?
    Hard to measure something when a constantly changing measurement is being applied.

    No, not really. I really think that he believes that to be the case.

    Perhaps self delusion, right up there with the self delusion that he's some sort of leader, and that he's a masterful politician, that he's unifying the country, etc. etc. etc.
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