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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Obama baited them. They are foolishly taking the bait.

    It's like watching a bunch of kids.
    I take your point. This was a gambit, and the response has to be both well thought out and explained in a persuasive way. But if we want to be able to call this a free country with a straight face, we can't just sit still for whatever outrage this arrogant SOB feels like perpetrating. The most important thing for the country is for Republicans is to win the presidency in 2016--but they can also lose it by being too weak.

    I think several different things may have to be done. What about public demonstrations, for a start? Rep. Bachmann is the only one I've heard mention them. She called on people to come to Washington on December 3, and I'm all for it.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what Obama did was absolutely lawful because a right wing partisan said it was, even though she has no qualifications? Is that about right?
    Not even close

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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    That would be excellent way to bring more Latinos on the Democratic side for 2016.
    Maybe...maybe not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    That's possible, but my hunch is that the GOP is going to roll over on this nd do nothing and for a good reason (ie the repubs like immigration and the cheap labor it provides. They're just playing politics and throwing their base some red meat)
    Imagine that? I agree with you. The Establishment Republicans will make noises but will do nothing effective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mycroft View Post
    maybe...maybe not.
    while the democratics shall makes gains in the people who shall vote for them, they shall also lose people who are independent or moderate, who believe the president should obey the law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Regardless what you might think, responding to a misunderstanding is not lying. That's what I did.

    I also asked for, received and acknowledged your clarification. And, in an effort to clearly understand you, I restated your position and asked if I was correct in my understanding.

    Now you are avoiding that request. I wonder why.
    I have avoided nothing and been exceedingly clear in my responses. Your inability to understand clearly stated opinions do not justify your repeated mischaracterizations, which are dishonest.

    But I'll try one more time:

    Experts on ethics have long agreed that deception is not always unethical, as you have naively tried to argued. It depends on the circumstances.
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    Quote Originally Posted by misterveritis View Post
    imagine that? I agree with you. The establishment republicans will make noises but will do nothing effective.
    republicans talk a good game, however they do very little.

    Remember for 6 six years the republicans controlled our government , in that time did they dismantle liberalism in it, did they reduce the size of government, ...no, .........they increased the size of government, and kept liberalism in it intact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I have avoided nothing and been exceedingly clear in my responses. Your inability to understand clearly stated opinions do not justify your repeated mischaracterizations, which are dishonest.

    But I'll try one more time:

    Experts on ethics have long agreed that deception is not always unethical, as you have naively tried to argued. It depends on the circumstances.
    Then I would be correct to characterize your position as: The ends justify lying...as long as I agree with the ends?

    Look...I'm just trying to understand you. Of course, you don't owe me anything and you would be perfectly justified in not answering my questions. If you don't want to answer me...just say so and I'll stop asking.


    btw, you seem to suffer from your own tendency to misunderstand. I haven't tried to argue that deception is always unethical. I did express an opinion that lying is dishonorable.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what Obama did was absolutely lawful because a right wing partisan said it was, even though she has no qualifications? Is that about right?
    No, its not.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    I take your point. This was a gambit, and the response has to be both well thought out and explained in a persuasive way. But if we want to be able to call this a free country with a straight face, we can't just sit still for whatever outrage this arrogant SOB feels like perpetrating. The most important thing for the country is for Republicans is to win the presidency in 2016--but they can also lose it by being too weak.

    I think several different things may have to be done. What about public demonstrations, for a start? Rep. Bachmann is the only one I've heard mention them. She called on people to come to Washington on December 3, and I'm all for it.
    I'm no lawyer so I have no idea if what Obama is doing is good, or bad, or Constitutional, or not, but what I do know as a grown up is that he baited them last night, and meltdowns from the GOP are only going to make the situation worse - and make them look worse.

    In the business world none of this would be happening, and if it did, the company would end up failing completely if senior management acted as they are in Washington.

    If the GOP really wants to have a chance at the WH in 2016, they have to earn it, and acting petty and belligerent isn't going to work. They need to be calm, rational, and have their facts.
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