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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Indoctrinating two generations of Americans about the supposed evils of their country in public schools, while failing to teach them much else, has consequences. This country is now infested with millions of drones who don't understand even basic civics, and could not care less. And a disproportionate share of them don't like much about America, even though they choose to take up space here. These types played their part in making this thoroughly undemocratic, un-American man President. They don't care any more about the United States, its traditions, or its Constitution than he does--he is a President for our time.
    well you must have expected this, every empire rises and falls, its the nature of them as America will fall as people become corrupted.

    "when people become uneducated and don't know what kind of government they have, it will turn into a democracy followed by a dictatorship"

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Yes, I do.

    But my arguments are usually based on the harm that's being done to the nation, and not the fact that a politician lied.
    you are self justifying your actions, by deeming yourself to being one who knows what right and wrong is, and others do not.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Don't most of Mr. Obama's supporters believe that? It would be odd if they didn't, since Obama himself so clearly believes it.
    I'm sure they do, though very few are willing to admit such a dishonorable attitude.

    But it's refreshing when an Obama supporter actually does admit their belief...and it leaves no question to the extent of their bias.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Oh...believe me, I don't like to lie. So please explain how what I said differs from what you said.
    You said I believe "the ends justifies the means" That saying applies to all means, not just lying. My response only addressed deception; not all means.

    For example, I would not support a politician who molests a child in order to get a good bill passed. No ends justify the molestation of a child, no matter how good the ends are

    But we're not talking about child molestation. We're talking about lying in politics. Making an issue of politicians lying is like:
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    Not so, unless they simply stop doing anything. The problem with defining "good" illegal aliens is that it still requires effort (expense) to differentiate them from "not so good" illegal aliens. The Obama plan to give them "okey dokey" temporary status still requires identification and background checking and some sort of pass (status ID?) to prevent the next ICE agent from repeating that time wasting.
    If the right defunds the govt's ability to run background checks, then it will be impossible to deport immigrants who have committed violent felonies (because they won't be able to find that out if they can't run background checks) and that would politically devasting to the republican defunders

    So "Bring it on!!"
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    You said I believe "the ends justifies the means" That saying applies to all means, not just lying. My response only addressed deception; not all means.

    For example, I would not support a politician who molests a child in order to get a good bill passed. No ends justify the molestation of a child, no matter how good the ends are
    Very well. Thank you for the correction.

    You don't believe the ends justify the means...you believe the ends justify lying. Is that correct?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Very well. Thank you for the correction.

    You don't believe the ends justify the means...you believe the ends justify lying. Is that correct?
    If your wife asks you "Do these pants make my ass look fat?" how do you answer?
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If the right defunds the govt's ability to run background checks, then it will be impossible to deport immigrants who have committed violent felonies (because they won't be able to find that out if they can't run background checks) and that would politically devasting to the republican defunders

    So "Bring it on!!"
    Oh...I don't know about that.

    I think it might be possible for Congress to target defunding language to apply to background check for specific purposes...and allow background check for other purposes.

    Now, I don't know if anyone in Congress understands this. Guess we'll just have to wait and see (1) if they try to defund anything and (2) exactly what they try to defund.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why haven't you responded to me? I posted 2 posts to you asking you to clarify some things.
    I was wrong about Obama talking about amnesty, I was basing it on Right Wing website. As for Perino, it was the first website when I googled it.

    I don't know why he said what he said, but I am pretty damn sure he has prosecutorial discretion.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If your wife asks you "Do these pants make my ass look fat?" how do you answer?
    ??

    I don't understand the relevance, but...

    Let it be known that you didn't answer my question.
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