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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    Dunno.

    Have to wait and see the details of what exactly he does....

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Has he made the announcement yet? Have the details been released?

    I guess I missed that if he has.

    I disagree with the very principle of what is proposed but disagreeing is one thing and illegal is quite another. Let me see the details and then I'll let you know if I think it's illegal.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That is kinda one of my two points I was trying to subtly make. No executive order was specified, and since the one on immigration that is so a source of conversation has not been made yet, it is impossible to judge it's lawfulness.
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    I appreciate the need for this thread.... but the need begins AFTER we know what the actual action will be. Until then, its nothing but needless speculation. No point in getting one's panties in a bunch until its time to get your panties in a bunch... (ok, two metaphors for one point is one metaphor too many)..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Didn't a Senior WH Official Leak BO's 10 step plan a few days ago?


    http://www.debatepolitics.com/immigr...ec-action.html


    Leak?

    Right.

    That is the sure way to ensure maximum exposure without too much examination of the content. It starts the discussion and ensures there will be not just coverage, but that the coverage cycle is long and shallow. The inverse is "garbage Friday" where all the bad news is dealt with through a late Friday afternoon "take out the trash" series of press releases.

    By making it appear like a leak, even the negative outlets jump on it, and in the US it also ensures the right will over react, which is what they need to get it done. If the opposition can be dismissed as "right wing fanatics" they have free reign of the rink with your goalie on the bench.

    And, as we have seen with the horsepower these people can launch, all it takes is one idiot in the past ten years and they get one between the pipes.

    This is what I would call "advance lying" to see what works
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Leak?

    Right.

    That is the sure way to ensure maximum exposure without too much examination of the content. It starts the discussion and ensures there will be not just coverage, but that the coverage cycle is long and shallow. The inverse is "garbage Friday" where all the bad news is dealt with through a late Friday afternoon "take out the trash" series of press releases.

    By making it appear like a leak, even the negative outlets jump on it, and in the US it also ensures the right will over react, which is what they need to get it done. If the opposition can be dismissed as "right wing fanatics" they have free reign of the rink with your goalie on the bench.

    And, as we have seen with the horsepower these people can launch, all it takes is one idiot in the past ten years and they get one between the pipes.

    This is what I would call "advance lying" to see what works


    What would really be funny is for BO to talk about cutting an EO and giving Amnesty. Then go on Prime-Time Cable to give a speech. Then never issue the order for Amnesty. Now that would be something huh?

    Just think how that perception would play out for him and the Demos.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Deportation is the fundamental punishment for illegal aliens, even without considering restitution they need to make for their crimes, and the imprisonment they deserve (which we're incapable of so we just send them back).

    If deportation is suspended, if the sentence is suspended, that's a pardoning act of amnesty.

    It's really clear as a bell.
    Deportation will be suspended for those who pass a back ground check, but for others who are criminals they will be deported. More of undocumented have deported than any other president has done.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    Has he made the announcement yet? Have the details been released?

    I guess I missed that if he has.


    I disagree with the very principle of what is proposed but disagreeing is one thing and illegal is quite another. Let me see the details and then I'll let you know if I think it's illegal.
    Agree. Details matter.

    One potential problem/issue is that Obama's EO grants relief/pardons to illegals that cannot later be rescinded or walked back. Congress and/or the courts may pass new law or overrule some aspects of the EO. But for some elements it may not be possible to "unring the bell".

    Will be interesting to listen to the speech tonight....

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Obama's Executive Order[W:265]-cart-front-horse-jpg

    I appreciate the need for this thread.... but the need begins AFTER we know what the actual action will be. Until then, its nothing but needless speculation. No point in getting one's panties in a bunch until its time to get your panties in a bunch... (ok, two metaphors for one point is one metaphor too many)..


    How can you "appreciate the need for this thread" and then say there is no need?

    Look, it's like this. We have seen what the Obama White House is prepared to do to make the other guys look bad, a very typical tactic of bad governments. If you have nothing good to say about yourself, say nothing, and attack the **** out of the other guy, no holds barred, Sarah Palin can be called a "slut" and a "whore", anything goes, eat your owqn young politics.

    Why this thread is beneficial and important, is once again we are seeing the most loathsome government of the modern era manipulating reality all in the name of Obama's now shattered image.

    This is bloody, gloves off, third period throw out the whistles boys, cutthroat politics, Chicago "the whole world's watching", Mayor John Daily, slice your grandmother from asshole to earlobes American politics by the meanest, most dishonest and powerful people in the country.

    You damn right this thread NEEDS to exist, as mold and fungus thrive in the dark
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Deportation will be suspended for those who pass a back ground check, but for others who are criminals they will be deported. More of undocumented have deported than any other president has done.
    Clearly you're missing a fundamental reality in this matter: they're all criminals!

    They've trespassed, forged identities, procured employment illegally, violated U.S. customs law, etc.

    Some of these are felonies!

    Passing a background check is meaningless pomp.

    Again, clearly, suspending deportation is suspending sentence, it's amnesty, as it's a pardon.

    It simply is clear as a bell.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    how is taking actions that laws passed by congress allow him to take demonstrate a "defiance of congressional intent"?
    That was taken from this article:

    Every President’s Executive Actions In One Chart | FiveThirtyEight

    I will admit I was taking it as this congress's intent and did not think of any other congress. This congress or the House intent was to do nothing on a senate passed bill. Just like the senate's intent was to do nothing on some 200 plus house passed bills. So as far as intent goes, it is the intent of this congress and in particular the house to do nothing. Same as those 200 house passed bills where the intent is to do nothing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander type equation.

    Now the intent of congress to do nothing on all of the above is being upset. Sort of a lame argument, but the best I can come up with at the moment. Congressional intent - do nothing so President Obama is in defiance of this congress's intent.

    Now as for past congresses and laws signed into law which as I take it the 1986 law is the one in force, the question then becomes is President Obama acting in accordance with it or is he rewriting it? I guess we will find the answer to that question once we know what he is going to do. All this speculation is just that, speculation. It may be right on or it may not be. What I like about you is that you have the ability to expand my horizons some times, now I have some contemplation to do while I watch a Dr. Who DVD and wait on the president.



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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    That was taken from this article:

    Every Presidentís Executive Actions In One Chart | FiveThirtyEight

    I will admit I was taking it as this congress's intent and did not think of any other congress. This congress or the House intent was to do nothing on a senate passed bill. Just like the senate's intent was to do nothing on some 200 plus house passed bills. So as far as intent goes, it is the intent of this congress and in particular the house to do nothing. Same as those 200 house passed bills where the intent is to do nothing. What is good for the goose is good for the gander type equation.

    Now the intent of congress to do nothing on all of the above is being upset. Sort of a lame argument, but the best I can come up with at the moment. Congressional intent - do nothing so President Obama is in defiance of this congress's intent.

    Now as for past congresses and laws signed into law which as I take it the 1986 law is the one in force, the question then becomes is President Obama acting in accordance with it or is he rewriting it? I guess we will find the answer to that question once we know what he is going to do. All this speculation is just that, speculation. It may be right on or it may not be. What I like about you is that you have the ability to expand my horizons some times, now I have some contemplation to do while I watch a Dr. Who DVD and wait on the president.



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