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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    No, not really, especially when war in Iraq is concerned.
    Then you think Obama is wrong to lie when it suits himself and to tell the truth when THAT suits him. Thanks for clearing that up.

    I guess the next question would be...how do you know when he is lying and when he's not lying?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    That is not true. That is old bad intel before anyone knew what the order would entail.

    No SSN. No access to benefits not offered to aliens already.
    I'm pretty sure they will be able to get SS #'s and cards, but they will not be able to get any SS benefits. The SSN# is only for work authorization and tracking purposes.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post


    Law professor, Obama supporter and outspoken liberal Jonathan Turley, a man considered to be a champion of liberal and progressive causes, was interviewed on MSNBC's Hardball tonight and asked his opinion on John Boehner suing the president. Fill-in host Steve Kornacki asked him "Legally speaking" did Boehner have "any kind of a case here?" He responded by saying:


    " Oh, I think there is a case against the president for exceeding his authority. I happen to agree with the president on many of his priorities and policies, but as I testified in Congress, I think that he has crossed the constitutional line."

    Jonathan Turley: Obama Has Effectively Rewritten Laws, "He Has Crossed The Constitutional Line" | Video | RealClearPolitics



    In comments to The Wall Street Journal last week, Mr. Turley said that Mr. Obama’s pending action is likely illegal given its scope. “Presidents have long claimed a high degree of discretion in the immigration area and courts have generally deferred to such decisions when they relate to priorities in enforcement,” he said. “However, the sheer size of this proposed change magnifies the already great concerns under the separation of powers.”.....snip~

    House Republicans Hire Jonathan Turley to Pursue Obama Lawsuit - Washington Wire - WSJ
    Maybe if Obama actually tried negotiating instead of insisting everything go his way when he has an idea - like every other POTUS has done - he might learn something! I realize that he believes he knows everything, but millions of Americans don't think so, as he should have realized earlier this month!

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Then you think Obama is wrong to lie when it suits himself and to tell the truth when THAT suits him. Thanks for clearing that up.

    I guess the next question would be...how do you know when he is lying and when he's not lying?
    I don't know, it was my opinion. Do you think the Bush administration lied or exaggerated about WMD in Iraq?


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    That is not true. That is old bad intel before anyone knew what the order would entail.

    No SSN. No access to benefits not offered to aliens already.


    WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama made some notable omissions in his remarks about the unilateral actions he's taking on immigration. A look at his statements Thursday and how they compare with the facts:


    OBAMA: "It does not grant citizenship, or the right to stay here permanently, or offer the same benefits that citizens receive. Only Congress can do that. All we're saying is we're not going to deport you."

    THE FACTS: He's saying, and doing, more than that. The changes also will make those covered eligible for work permits, allowing them to be employed in the country legally and compete with citizens and legal residents for better-paying jobs.....snip~

    http://news.yahoo.com/fact-check-oba...081111776.html

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I'm pretty sure they will be able to get SS #'s and cards, but they will not be able to get any SS benefits. The SSN# is only for work authorization and tracking purposes.
    No. Aliens get ITINs. Individual Tax Identification Number. SSN is for citizens.

    Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN)


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    No. Aliens get ITINs. Individual Tax Identification Number. SSN is for citizens.

    Individual Taxpayer Identification Number (ITIN)
    You may very well be right but I'm not sure if there's any significant difference there.

    Thanks for the link.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I don't know, it was my opinion. Do you think the Bush administration lied or exaggerated about WMD in Iraq?
    Not the place to talk about Bush, is it?

    So...do you agree that it's hard to impossible to tell when Obama is lying and when he's not?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Not the place to talk about Bush, is it?

    So...do you agree that it's hard to impossible to tell when Obama is lying and when he's not?
    He's a politician!!

    Just look to see if his lips are moving
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He was wrong back then, he has prosecutorial discretion as Dana Perino pointed out yesterday.

    Dana Perino: Obama ‘Has the Prosecutorial Discretion’ to Act on Immigration | Mediaite
    Let me get this right. George W. Bush's former Press Secretary is suddenly the person you turn to for the final say on what's Constitutional?

    With all due respect to Ms. Perino, she isn't a Constitutional scholar. She isn't even a lawyer. She has a degree in Communications from Colorado State and a PhD in "Public Affairs Reporting" from U of Illinois.

    So now Fox News is the source that gives the accurate information?

    By the way, if he was "wrong back then", and she's correct, you're saying that a Constitutional Law Professor who is now the POTUS knew less about the Constitution than someone with a Bachelors Degree in Communications from a state school?
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