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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The govt doesn't stop working because we had an election.

    there was not urgency that could not have waited for the new session of congress.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Obama said nothing about them not getting anything from state govts and I did not admit that they will get any state benefits. I merely acknowledged the possibility that they will. Whether they do remains to be seen.
    Been to Ca. lately? It's a sanctuary state......connect the dots.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The following link includes information on the types of documentation that can be used to prove residency

    Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) | USCIS
    That seems to cover children. I am curious about adults who came in illegally five or more years ago.

    I am aware of the site you provided the link to.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    I think that Obama is doing nothing that hasn't been done by a host of presidents long before him. Immigration is part of his agenda; we knew that, adn he is doing everything within his power to get the door open: somebody's gotta start somewhere. He's forcing a jump ball, and for that I applaud him.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He was wrong back then, he has prosecutorial discretion as Dana Perino pointed out yesterday.

    Dana Perino: Obama ‘Has the Prosecutorial Discretion’ to Act on Immigration | Mediaite
    What knowledge of constitutional law is Ms. Perino drawing on to reach that conclusion? You might as well ask some social science professor at the local community college whether she thinks this was a valid exercise of prosecutorial discretion.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    What knowledge of constitutional law is Ms. Perino drawing on to reach that conclusion? You might as well ask some social science professor at the local community college whether she thinks this was a valid exercise of prosecutorial discretion.
    Given the fact that when she was press secretary she was probably extensively briefed on GWB similar executive actions, I bet she knows more than you.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The ends justify the means, right? Lie when it suits?

    Do you condone such an attitude?
    No, not really, especially when war in Iraq is concerned.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    Interesting...however...



    8 U.S.C. §§103, 103a. appear to have been omitted since 1949.
    Ahhh. I see the confusion!

    The document references Sec 103 of Immigration and Naturalization Act and Sec 1103 of 8 USC
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Depending on the circumstances, deception can be a legitimate tactic in politics.
    For leftists like Mr. Obama, lying is standard procedure. He has been a damned liar throughout his political life, and he is a damned liar now.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    In other words, he lied back then, right? I mean, do you think it's reasonable that he's able to understand the law now...but couldn't understand the law back then? Heck, it makes me wonder if he even understands the law now.

    But, hey...if he says it, it's true, right? Even if it's not.



    Law professor, Obama supporter and outspoken liberal Jonathan Turley, a man considered to be a champion of liberal and progressive causes, was interviewed on MSNBC's Hardball tonight and asked his opinion on John Boehner suing the president. Fill-in host Steve Kornacki asked him "Legally speaking" did Boehner have "any kind of a case here?" He responded by saying:


    " Oh, I think there is a case against the president for exceeding his authority. I happen to agree with the president on many of his priorities and policies, but as I testified in Congress, I think that he has crossed the constitutional line."

    Jonathan Turley: Obama Has Effectively Rewritten Laws, "He Has Crossed The Constitutional Line" | Video | RealClearPolitics



    In comments to The Wall Street Journal last week, Mr. Turley said that Mr. Obama’s pending action is likely illegal given its scope. “Presidents have long claimed a high degree of discretion in the immigration area and courts have generally deferred to such decisions when they relate to priorities in enforcement,” he said. “However, the sheer size of this proposed change magnifies the already great concerns under the separation of powers.”.....snip~

    House Republicans Hire Jonathan Turley to Pursue Obama Lawsuit - Washington Wire - WSJ

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