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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It suits for the GOP in Texas in regards to anti-abortion measures. They flat out claimed it was for women's health, but then we had conservatives on this board say that they didn't care they lied as long as it made abortion harder to get.
    Let it be noted that you didn't answer my question.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    Well, you have a democrat senate to blame for that. The house has put forward over a hundred bills that never reached the floor of the senate because the democrat leadership wanted it that way.
    What I tired argument. You play right into their games by citing "hundreds of bills" without recognizing all the crap those bills contained. The House has passed very, VERY few clean bills on any issue, and Boehner has regularly used the Hastert Rule to sensor the democratic nature of the House by denying votes on many bills that have had bipartisan support. They prevent votes in the House and put crap in bills they know will never pass the Senate then bitch and moan about Democrat obstruction. And here you are validating the behavior by playing the exact role they want you to play. You're letting yourself be a tool.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If they had truly "worked with Congress to correct flaws" then congress would have passed new laws to correct those flaws, making the EO unnecessary and irrelevant.

    The fact is, that after the immigration reform act was passed in 1986, Congress passed nothing to fix those flaws, which is why both Reagan and bush* issued EO's


    Another point is that he has a new congress, the honest thing to do would have been to wait.


    He's a douchebag, and an authoritarian who shat upon the constitution.
    Let evil swiftly befall those who have wrongly condemned us

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Just bringing out the fact that these illegals are going to get benefits that your messiah stated they wouldn't.
    I was just informing the ill informed, seems there are a lot of them on this board.

    Glad you have the honesty to admit that they are going to get the bene's.
    Obama said nothing about them not getting anything from state govts and I did not admit that they will get any state benefits. I merely acknowledged the possibility that they will. Whether they do remains to be seen.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    One question came to mind was how is an illegal alien going to prove they have been living in the US five or more years ago and the Feds verify what is submitted is true . They are undocumented, may be using false ssn or id, etc. With the priority shift to felons, etc, I see no real advantage for one to come forward. The Feds will not be targeting the working "family member" anyway.

    imo, The EO is poorly thought out.
    The following link includes information on the types of documentation that can be used to prove residency

    Consideration of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) | USCIS
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's not. The law allows the president to do that.

    Specifically, INA § 212(d)(5) and 8 U.S.C. § 182(d)(5)
    The Office of the Law Revision Counsel of the House of Representatives prepares the U.S. Code. The Code as printed on the OLRC's website does not contain the section you cite as authority.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by 29A View Post
    Interesting...however...



    8 U.S.C. §§103, 103a. appear to have been omitted since 1949.

    U.S.C. Title 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY
    I think you're reading that wrong. The Sec 103(a) that was omitted was the Sec 103(a) that was there at that time. Since then, other text has taken its' place

    8 U.S. Code § 1103 - Powers and duties of the Secretary, the Under Secretary, and the Attorney General | LII / Legal Information Institute




    ...and 8 U.S.C. § 182 doesn't appear to exist.
    8 U.S. Code § 1182 - Inadmissible aliens | LII / Legal Information Institute

    on edit:The document references Sec 103 of Immigration and Naturalization Act and Sec 1103 of 8 USC (not Sec 103 of 8 USC)
    Last edited by sangha; 11-21-14 at 02:16 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It suits for the GOP in Texas in regards to anti-abortion measures. They flat out claimed it was for women's health, but then we had conservatives on this board say that they didn't care they lied as long as it made abortion harder to get.
    Depending on the circumstances, deception can be a legitimate tactic in politics.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Another point is that he has a new congress, the honest thing to do would have been to wait.
    The govt doesn't stop working because we had an election.
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    The Office of the Law Revision Counsel of the House of Representatives prepares the U.S. Code. The Code as printed on the OLRC's website does not contain the section you cite as authority.
    I've posted the links to the code in post #247
    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
    Quote Originally Posted by jaeger19 View Post
    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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