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Obama's Executive Order[W:265]

Is Obama breaking the law?

  • Yes, by his own words he is breaking the law

    Votes: 36 48.6%
  • No, perfectly legal

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Doing same as Regan and Bush did

    Votes: 13 17.6%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Dont care

    Votes: 3 4.1%
  • Go Fish

    Votes: 6 8.1%

  • Total voters
    74
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Well, perhaps if Boehner had brought the Senate's Immigration Bill to the floor for a vote, Reid would have brought some of Boehner's bills up as well. You think?

No, he wouldn't.

But I'm wondering why you condone extortion on the part of the Democrats? "Pass my bill...or you'll be sorry!"
 
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Fail.....You can do a complete background check on the web for practically nothing... They won't be able to do it that easily, but someone else will and they will be overcharged dramatically.

You don't know much about federal background checks, do you. That online background check is nothing compared to what the feds do. I know. I got a clearance way back. They personally met with and talked to my parent, relatives, friends and did a whole lot of other things.

In my case, it was worth it because they got years of service from me in return, but it wasn't cheap and it took them almost 6 months. On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past Obama to go the useless "online" route you suggest to save time and money. He'll get what he paid for, for sure.
 
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No amnesty has been granted, permanent or otherwise. This will give the Republicans a chance to pass the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill which the House has been sitting on for a year and a half. If they don't do it, there won't be another Republican President in the White House for many, many years.

And what makes you think that? even ultra liberal TNR has admitted that the GOP can essentially abandon trying to appeal to latino voters and still win the white house.
 
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My understanding is that it was a bipartisan bill.

No, only 12 republicans voted for it. If it had bipartisan support at least a majority of both parties would have supported it.
 
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I suspect nothing will please you.

not true. All I need to see is a law which Obama supposedly broke with the immigration actions.
 
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No amnesty has been granted, permanent or otherwise. This will give the Republicans a chance to pass the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill which the House has been sitting on for a year and a half. If they don't do it, there won't be another Republican President in the White House for many, many years.

This is not true. You claim the temporary period is three years. The only thing they have to do is fill out some paperwork to stay. So the question remains, will 10 million illegals be easier to throw out in three years? At what point is temporary become permanent?

As far as the "do it or never get the White House" threat ProgLibs love to chant, the future is indeed impossible to claim with any certainty. The royal screwing the President has given the Black Communities and others will likely play a very large part in who is in the White House in the future, with, or without, rewarding failures from other countries who have come here illegally
 
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My understanding is that it was a bipartisan bill.

Here's the problem with your understanding. The senate passed the bill, after which it's supposed to go to conference committee. Harry Reid never sent it to conference committee and the House never got a chance to look at it. Harry Reid is a terrible person and quite possibly the worst living American.

Senate Democrats keep own immigration bill from House, urge Obama executive action - Washington Times
 
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Morning back atcha MMC...He didn't create any new programs! The House has been sitting on the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill for a year and a half..so no, not a lie or a lame excuse.

Sure it was......as BO's excuse was he ran out of patience.

Also what he failed to mention.....was Good Ole Harry Reid pulling back the Border security Provision of the Bill that passed in the Senate. That would be the so called and alleged comprehensive immigration reform.

And the other part he failed to mention was the Bills that the House sent with the surge at the southern border that Harry Reid wouldn't let get past him, for Bo to use his Temp Pen.


So yes it was a lame excuse.....no where in the Constitution does it say when the President is out of Patience he can go around the Constitution.
 
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Fail.....You can do a complete background check on the web for practically nothing... They won't be able to do it that easily, but someone else will and they will be overcharged dramatically.


Try again Juanita. ;)

At current staffing levels, USCIS issues about 1 million green cards per year. And when Obama enacted his first executive amnesty, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals in 2012, wait times for legal immigrants to get their visas tripled from under five months to over 15 months. Only about 1 million illegal immigrants were eligible to apply for DACA amnesty and only about 600,000 were given amnesty......snip~

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...7-house-gop-file-lawsuit-against-obama-6.html


The Office of Personnel Management is or OPM is responsible for conducting these checks on behalf of different Federal agencies. Besides, the Department of Defense and the Federal Bureau of Investigation conduct their own searches. These searches are always very detailed and cover all possible information about an individual.
A government background check includes information on all residential addresses of a person, all assets, accounts, credit reports, present employment and past employments. This is done to ensure that the person is loyal to the United States. Such though checking has become very mandatory after the September 11 terrorist attack on the World Trade Centre. This is felt necessary to ensure the security of the nation and its people.

Such detailed searches require a lot of time. For this reason completing the search requires a lot of time. It may take anywhere between 30 and 180 days to conduct and complete a search. The process involves many steps......snip~

Government Background Check


It will cost the American People more money and time.....as well as BO's Team hiring more people. Which with Uncle Sequester.....how is that going to happen again? Oh, and with the Full Congress of Republicans. :mrgreen:
 
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What I was hoping for was exact language to show the law Obama had violated. you giving me broad sections of codes is hardly that.
What you are hoping for is a shield to protect the Father of Lies.

He voided the Constitution. And you are okay with that.
 
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No amnesty has been granted, permanent or otherwise. This will give the Republicans a chance to pass the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Bill which the House has been sitting on for a year and a half. If they don't do it, there won't be another Republican President in the White House for many, many years.
Really? And if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

This amnesty is a nation killer. Combined with chain migration, a Ted Kennedy travesty, this will bring millions more third worlders to the US. If you pay taxes, if you buy things, if you earn under $100K per year, if you do not live in a gated community, you just got screwed. And you liked it.

This was a direct attack on the US citizen on behalf of an invading enemy.
 
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Really? And if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor.

This amnesty is a nation killer. Combined with chain migration, a Ted Kennedy travesty, this will bring millions more third worlders to the US. If you pay taxes, if you buy things, if you earn under $100K per year, if you do not live in a gated community, you just got screwed. And you liked it.

This was a direct attack on the US citizen on behalf of an invading enemy.

You realize that the people affected are already here, right?
 
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What you are hoping for is a shield to protect the Father of Lies.

He voided the Constitution. And you are okay with that.

I have never been okay with an expansion of executive power at the expense of the legislature - even though the legislature say back and spreads its limbs and put a big smile on its face when their own president was the participant.
 
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I have never been okay with an expansion of executive power at the expense of the legislature - even though the legislature say back and spreads its limbs and put a big smile on its face when their own president was the participant.
We can disagree on this. I see you differently. You support authoritarian statists when you agree with their goals. It is perfectly natural to side with the tyrant who wants what you want. Once we becomes unmoored from the Constitution, it simply becomes a matter of preference for which form of tyranny best suits us.
 
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You realize that the people affected are already here, right?
Are you unfamiliar with chain migration? This puts the alien in charge of our immigration system. It will bring in millions more. In addition one need only declare that one has been here for five years and one gets to stay. Finally, this will cause a rush to our borders.

What gives the president the authority to transfer billions of dollars of the citizens' wealth to invaders? To pay for the initial rush of illegals to become Democrats we need to close down the Education Department and the EPA to pay for the 30 billion in new costs for these illegals.

For each subsequent year we need to close one more leftist independent agency and defund how ever many leftist programs are needed to pay for the added costs to the American citizens.

It seems I realize a great deal more than you do.
 
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It seems I realize a great deal more than you do.

This is about the funniest thing I've read all week. Thanks.

I'd love to explore the concept of how this will make us all want to live in gated communities from here on out, but I think if prefer to be in the real world for a while.
 
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This is about the funniest thing I've read all week. Thanks.

I'd love to explore the concept of how this will make us all want to live in gated communities from here on out, but I think if prefer to be in the real world for a while.

Is it possible that you cannot see the impact of open borders and a massive welfare state on the American citizen?

On average the American citizens will be poorer, pay more for everything, and have less freedoms.
We will lose our culture and much of our language to the White House supported invaders.
Your wages will be suppressed.
Your children will become second class citizens behind the invaders' children who will demand additional services.
Illnesses once eliminated will return as third world children walk among our own. Some have already been killed by diseases brought in by Obama's earlier wave of invaders.
Your vote will be diluted. In time there will only be one choice of political party, the party of big government. With an additional 5-30 million votes for handouts no party will remain that does not offer welfare to all who find their way here.

This marks the beginning of the end of the US as a free nation.
 
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We can disagree on this. I see you differently. You support authoritarian statists ...

YOu can just stop right there with such blatant falsehoods designed to demonize people who do not worship before the same altar and worship the same gods as you do.
 
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YOu can just stop right there with such blatant falsehoods designed to demonize people who do not worship before the same altar and worship the same gods as you do.
Right. "We can disagree on this. I see you differently. You support authoritarian statists ..."

I can tell you do not like my opinion of you. Awesome.
 
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Thanks. I've seen some things that reference that as well. I've also seen counter arguments (including the one pbrauer mentioned).

I wonder if this isn't a job for SCOTUS.

its going to have to be, since we have presidents for many decades who believe their are part of the legislative branch, and create or alter law.

one thing to remember, it does not matter what federal law anyone attempts to show you, that the president is a within any power, constitutional law is supreme.

on matters of law it is for the legislature to determine what law says, its only for the president to enforce.


the president has ALREADY acknowledged for several years now, that laws on immigration is not part of his powers, but congress.
 
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Right. "We can disagree on this. I see you differently. You support authoritarian statists ..."

I can tell you do not like my opinion of you. Awesome.

The thing I do not like is that your posts make no sense as they are not based on reality but upon your own extremist belief system and nothing else but that. And then you attempt to demonize people who do not have your own rather unique ideological view on things.

your 586 repeated this line from me

What I was hoping for was exact language to show the law Obama had violated. you giving me broad sections of codes is hardly that.

So why don't you cut out all the personal crap and simply pick up the challenge and show me the law Obama is suppose to have violated?
 
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The thing I do not like is that your posts make no sense as they are not based on reality but upon your own extremist belief system and nothing else but that. And then you attempt to demonize people who do not have your own rather unique ideological view on things.

your 586 repeated this line from me

So why don't you cut out all the personal crap and simply pick up the challenge and show me the law Obama is suppose to have violated?
You already know and have rejected his violations of the Constitution. Why would I try to convince someone who intends to be obtuse because the Lawless One is voiding the Constitution is ways that are pleasing to you?

The damage the Lawless One is doing to the nation will harm you as much, and possibly more, than it harms me. Those billions of dollars of local funds that Obama has committed the local governments to will come out of our pockets. If you own property your taxes will go up. The Lawless One just stole tens of billions of dollars from American taxpayers to give to the invading illegal aliens.

If you have children or grandchildren they just became second class citizens in line behind the illegal aliens.
 
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