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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It seems like you are trying to convince me you are correct. I agree with you in in regards to immigration. I'm just saying that you aren't going to get a majority of lawmakers that will remove that amendment.

    However, even if you only had securing the border and enforcement of the laws on the books now would be a great help to fighting illegal immigration.
    Agreed, if the politicians had followed through with the entire 1986 amnesty Bill, we wouldn't have had this thread now. true story

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If you want to know what some attorneys who are Constitutional scholars think, you can read this:

    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754
    Interesting...however...

    General authority for defered action exists under Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) § 103(a), 8 U.S.C. § 103(a), which grants the Secretary of Homeland Security the authority to enforce the immigration laws. Though no statutes oregulations delineate defered action in specific terms, the U.S. Supreme Court has made clear that decisions to initate or terminate enforcement procedings fall squarely within the authority of the Executive. In the immigration context, the Executive Branch has exercised its general enforcement authority to grant defered action since at least 1971. Federal courts have acknowledged the existence of this executive power at least as far back as the mid–1970s.5
    8 U.S.C. §§103, 103a. appear to have been omitted since 1949.

    U.S.C. Title 8 - ALIENS AND NATIONALITY

    Parole–in–place refers to a form of parole granted by the Executive Branch under
    the authority of INA § 212(d)(5), 8 U.S.C. § 182(d)(5). Under this provision, the Atorney
    General “may . . in his discretion parole into the United States temporarily under such
    conditons as he may prescribe only on a case–by–case basis for urgent humanitarian
    reasons or significant public benefit any alien aplying for admision to the United
    States.”7 Parole permits a noncitzen to remain lawfuly in the United States, although
    parole does not constiute an “admision” under the INA. Individuals who have ben
    paroled are eligible for work authorization
    ...and 8 U.S.C. § 182 doesn't appear to exist.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    My understanding is that Reagan and Bush worked with congress to correct flaws which adversely affected families that were granted amnesty by congress in 1986.
    Obama has never worked with congress.
    He's a terrible president.


    You've got it backwards. The G-nO-P has never worked with Obama since he was 1st elected to the White House.

    I predict that the GOP will have no success overturning any of Obama's actions and their efforts to do so will hurt the GOP in future elections.
    Last edited by shrubnose; 11-21-14 at 01:10 PM.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    This falls along the same lines of "The government should get out of marriage". While it sounds like a good slogan, the reality is the government is never going to get out of marriage and you aren't going to ever see an electable candidate say "Get rid of the anchor baby amendment". It simply isn't going to happen.

    The better idea is to concentrate on securing the border. Without securing the border, any other policy is pretty much irrelevant short of increasing enforcement of laws.
    True. I don't see the likelihood of the 14th amendment being struck down, but that doesn't make striking it down any less reasonable or any less logical a thing to do.

    You say secure the border, and I agree. Further, I say reduce the motivation for these people to come here illegally, and increase the motivation for these people to immigrate legally. If that's vigorous enforcement of the anti-illegal alien employment provisions of the law, so be it.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Political advantage...that's what changed.

    When he made his previous statements, he was trying to placate his base because he didn't want to take the actions they wanted him to take. But now, he sees an advantage by reversing himself and going through with what they want.

    The ends justify the means.
    To me, 'the ends justifies the means' is just another way of saying unprincipled. Or have I got that wrong?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    In other words, he lied back then, right? I mean, do you think it's reasonable that he's able to understand the law now...but couldn't understand the law back then? Heck, it makes me wonder if he even understands the law now.

    But, hey...if he says it, it's true, right? Even if it's not.
    I believe he lied back then, he was interested getting the immigration bill through Congress and I think he thought telling the truth would be a detriment to that end.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I believe he lied back then, he was interested getting the immigration bill through Congress and I think he thought telling the truth would be a detriment to that end.
    The ends justify the means, right? Lie when it suits?

    Do you condone such an attitude?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    True. I don't see the likelihood of the 14th amendment being struck down, but that doesn't make striking it down any less reasonable or any less logical a thing to do.
    When you have a majority of people out there (including lawmakers) that are either uninterested, unable, or unwilling to get rid of the amendment, I do think it isn't reasonable or logical to do. It simply is a pipe dream at this point IMO. Do I think it should be removed or reformed? Yes. Do I think it is going to happen? Hell no. So I would rather focus on what I think we can do and can accomplish which is enforce the laws on the books and secure the border.

    If that's vigorous enforcement of the anti-illegal alien employment provisions of the law, so be it.
    I can completely agree. The problem is getting the politicians who are controlled by corporate lobbyists to agree. Hell it looks like even Rand Paul has fallen into corporate hands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    The ends justify the means, right? Lie when it suits?

    Do you condone such an attitude?
    It suits for the GOP in Texas in regards to anti-abortion measures. They flat out claimed it was for women's health, but then we had conservatives on this board say that they didn't care they lied as long as it made abortion harder to get.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Many Trump supporters have lots of problems, and those deplorables are bringing those problems to us. They’re racists. They’re misogynists. They’re islamophobic. They're xenophobes and homophobes. And some, I assume, are good people.

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