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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And if they choose to do so, it's their option to do so.

    I thought the right was all about "states rights". I guess that gets thrown under the bus whenever they decide they don't like those states' rights.
    Anyone interested in limited government has to limit the power given to states. I don't see how you can have unlimited power on one side and limited power on the other and not have enormous government pretty quick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    And if they choose to do so, it's their option to do so.

    I thought the right was all about "states rights". I guess that gets thrown under the bus whenever they decide they don't like those states' rights.
    Just bringing out the fact that these illegals are going to get benefits that your messiah stated they wouldn't.
    I was just informing the ill informed, seems there are a lot of them on this board.

    Glad you have the honesty to admit that they are going to get the bene's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm arguing that getting rid of the anchor baby amendment is not a popular view so it isn't going to happen. That is reality, that is why I compared it to "the government getting out of marriage".

    There isn't a popular view of getting rid of that amendment so those candidates aren't going to hold that view that go up for election. A more tangible solution is to secure the border and enforce the laws we have on the books now. Getting rid of the anchor baby amendment is a pipe dream.
    You still have to concern yourself with those that get past your grasp. Prevention is great and all, but crime actually does happen and you can't have a huge gaping hole that makes enforcement problematic.

    The people might very well love it, but if they were smart they would realize you can't be for the anchor baby amendment and immigration law at the same time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Anyone interested in limited government has to limit the power given to states. I don't see how you can have unlimited power on one side and limited power on the other and not have enormous government pretty quick.
    I see you're big on a large central government, socialists like that kind of government.
    Our FF's wanted a smaller central government and more power for the state governments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    I see you're big on a large central government, socialists like that kind of government.
    Our FF's wanted a smaller central government and more power for the state governments.
    Actually, I'm for no government. Still, US history has not been kind to this blatantly irrational idea where we try to limit government by failing to restrain states. If you want limited government you kind of have to restrain all levels of government. States can in fact be pretty damn oppressive.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    One question came to mind was how is an illegal alien going to prove they have been living in the US five or more years ago and the Feds verify what is submitted is true . They are undocumented, may be using false ssn or id, etc. With the priority shift to felons, etc, I see no real advantage for one to come forward. The Feds will not be targeting the working "family member" anyway.

    imo, The EO is poorly thought out.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    One question came to mind was how is an illegal alien going to prove they have been living in the US five or more years ago and the Feds verify what is submitted is true . They are undocumented, may be using false ssn or id, etc. With the priority shift to felons, etc, I see no real advantage for one to come forward. The Feds will not be targeting the working "family member" anyway.

    imo, The EO is poorly thought out.
    That is what I'm thinking too. What are they going to use to proof their case? Why would you even risk coming forward in the first place? If you fail to prove your case you're going to be deported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Actually, I'm for no government. Still, US history has not been kind to this blatantly irrational idea where we try to limit government by failing to restrain states. If you want limited government you kind of have to restrain all levels of government.
    Why not start with restraining the federal government? Why does it have to be the states you want to restrain.
    It's the government of those states that know there own needs. The feds could care less about ....say...Wy., Id., Ak.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Think about it. The lower paying jobs that these immigrants are taking are the starter jobs that those starting their working careers need to get started.

    I guess Obama must really hate America's youth.

    First he dumps the vast majority of the ObamaCare costs on them, and then, does little more than increase the competition for the jobs they need to start their lives by adding what? 4-5m more people competing for the same jobs?

    Yeah. Obama must really hate American's young people, and yet, he's also fooled them into voting him into office not only once, but twice. That's surely not going to just disappear in the coming years, as these people certainly are going to remember this.
    Yes, absolutely true.

    Bill Clinton's insult-laced message from the past is a good one for his fellow Democrat Obama today: "It's the economy, stupid".

    Young voters aren't going to forget.

    Neither are the older voters .. like the carpenter in his forties who was replaced by three wage-slave illegal aliens Obama just pardoned without requiring they pay compensatory restitution to the Americans whose jobs they stole .. or the warehouse supervisor in his fifties who has his wage scale and purchasing power plummet from the influx of millions of Obamnesty recipients.

    Obamnesty is going to harm scores of millions of always-resident American citizens ..

    .. And, they can vote.

    For those who hadn't voted much in the past, oh, you can bet your bottom dollar that this will bring them to the voting booth in droves ..

    .. To vote out all of Obama's fellow liberal Democrats in an effort to right this Obamnesty travesty!
    You don't trust Trump? Well, there's only one way to leverage him to do what's economically right for us all: Powerful American Political Alliance. Got courage?! .. and a mere $5.00?

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    You still have to concern yourself with those that get past your grasp. Prevention is great and all, but crime actually does happen and you can't have a huge gaping hole that makes enforcement problematic.

    The people might very well love it, but if they were smart they would realize you can't be for the anchor baby amendment and immigration law at the same time.
    It seems like you are trying to convince me you are correct. I agree with you in in regards to immigration. I'm just saying that you aren't going to get a majority of lawmakers that will remove that amendment.

    However, even if you only had securing the border and enforcement of the laws on the books now would be a great help to fighting illegal immigration.

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