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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Think about it. The lower paying jobs that these immigrants are taking are the starter jobs that those starting their working careers need to get started.

    So it's Obama's fault a company would rather hire an unskilled immigrant than an American teenager? Because no one is taking a job that someone isn't choosing to give to them. If McDonalds chooses to hire an immigrant to flip burgers instead of a high schooler getting started, what do you want the president to do?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    It takes two to tango and Obama is the most partisan president in my memory and has created the most divided government in history.
    Agreed. And then turns around and blames the Republicans for the situations that he creates, that he manipulates into being.

    And the Obamabots here, there, and everywhere, especially in the Biased Lame Stream Media parrot the smae blame casting from a common set of talking points. Enough to turn your stomach.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He said he didn't have the power to grant amnesty which is quite correct. What he spoke about last night was only a temporary measure, it does not grant amnesty.
    Hi Pete,

    That's actually not what he said.

    Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

    With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed — and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

    There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.“


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    In 2011 he said he didn't have the power to do this. In 2014 he said he had the power to do this. He didn't mention amnesty in 2011.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I seem to remember President George W.Bush tried to get immigration reform, but the Republicans were against it even then.

    The last president who couldn't get Congress to act on immigration - CBS News
    For all I disagree about alot of Bush's policies, I always thought he was right on immigration but just couldn't get his own party to back him up.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Are you supposed to be the rational one here? I "was" discussing the topic and letting you know my opinions on your stand. They suck! You never answered my question. I'm trying to quit smoking and not doing well, so don't **** with me!
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    A good bit of logic and common sense this.

    And hence a perfectly reasonable and logical foundation for eliminating the 'anchor baby' regulations and scenario. While it may have served the country in the past, that time has long since gone, and only caused greater complications for immigration policy and enforcement.
    This falls along the same lines of "The government should get out of marriage". While it sounds like a good slogan, the reality is the government is never going to get out of marriage and you aren't going to ever see an electable candidate say "Get rid of the anchor baby amendment". It simply isn't going to happen.

    The better idea is to concentrate on securing the border. Without securing the border, any other policy is pretty much irrelevant short of increasing enforcement of laws.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I seem to remember President George W.Bush tried to get immigration reform, but the Republicans were against it even then.

    The last president who couldn't get Congress to act on immigration - CBS News
    True.

    But what does that have to do with anything about how Obama creates a situation (to the detriment of the very people he claims to be trying to help) that makes it impossible to pass bi-partisan supported legislation? This recurring pattern of his, as is the purposeful aid and support of it by Reid, is the source of the congressional gridlock.

    Is this his idea of good governance? I'm find it to be seriously lacking.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So it's Obama's fault a company would rather hire an unskilled immigrant than an American teenager? Because no one is taking a job that someone isn't choosing to give to them. If McDonalds chooses to hire an immigrant to flip burgers instead of a high schooler getting started, what do you want the president to do?
    Indirectly, yes. We've got historically low employment for these young people, mainly due to the present state of the economy, and Obama's decision here, rather than making it easier for young US citizens, is it make it easier for illegal immigrants to compete for those same jobs, making it harder for these young US citizens.

    So, yea, he chose supporting and helping illegal immigrants over US citizens. I just hope these young people don't forget who and which party did that to them.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hi Pete,

    That's actually not what he said.

    Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

    With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed — and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

    There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.“


    Remarks by the President at Univision Town Hall | The White House

    In 2011 he said he didn't have the power to do this. In 2014 he said he had the power to do this. He didn't mention amnesty in 2011.

    What changed?
    Political advantage...that's what changed.

    When he made his previous statements, he was trying to placate his base because he didn't want to take the actions they wanted him to take. But now, he sees an advantage by reversing himself and going through with what they want.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Hi Pete,

    That's actually not what he said.

    Well, first of all, temporary protective status historically has been used for special circumstances where you have immigrants to this country who are fleeing persecution in their countries, or there is some emergency situation in their native land that required them to come to the United States. So it would not be appropriate to use that just for a particular group that came here primarily, for example, because they were looking for economic opportunity.

    With respect to the notion that I can just suspend deportations through executive order, that’s just not the case, because there are laws on the books that Congress has passed — and I know that everybody here at Bell is studying hard so you know that we’ve got three branches of government. Congress passes the law. The executive branch’s job is to enforce and implement those laws. And then the judiciary has to interpret the laws.

    There are enough laws on the books by Congress that are very clear in terms of how we have to enforce our immigration system that for me to simply through executive order ignore those congressional mandates would not conform with my appropriate role as President.“


    Remarks by the President at Univision Town Hall | The White House

    In 2011 he said he didn't have the power to do this. In 2014 he said he had the power to do this. He didn't mention amnesty in 2011.

    What changed?
    All the liberals who say Obama has the power to do what he is doing aren't arguing with republicans. They are arguing with Obama. It was Obama, the Constitutional law professor that argued over and over and over again that he could not legally do what he is doing. But this issue proves once again that liberals aren't interested in the Constitution, they aren't interested in honesty, they aren't interested in what they said yesterday. They are interested in power. And that's it.

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