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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Both refer to granting parole for purposes of applying for admission, not work permits.
    No, they allow the granting of work permits.

    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no vagueness.

    The president is granting certain qualified immigrants the temporary right to remain in the US. In this context, temporary means the right can be revoked at any time, by either the president or congress.
    Please precisely define the length of time implied by his word, "temporary".

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    The word on the street here in SoCal is the cottage industry in fraudulent ID's will be shifting over to inventing documents that will establish the "residency" requirements.

    I would suspect it will eventually be "learned" that there have been no new arrivals in the last 5 years, and every single illegal alien has been here at least since at least 2008.
    Oh, you know it Ocean. We can document then that Obama's border security has been outstanding, and that those videos of people streaming in here from trains were actually people returning from a visit to their summer homes.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    No, they allow the granting of work permits.

    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=754
    8 C.F.R. § 274a.12(c)(1) does not refer to parole via the two laws you cited, which is the law that the author of link cited.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The law allows him to do that

    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=75
    Perhaps you can cut and paste here the particular part of that pdf that gives the President the authority to do what he did...because I don't see it.

    And this is not amnesty. He is merely deferring deportations and granting some immgrants the legal right to remain in the US temporarily. When I asked for something he is doing that is illegal, I meant "something he is *actually* doing" and not "some imaginary fiction some wingnut on the right is blathering about"
    I agree that Obama hasn't granted amnesty...in a technical sense...but what he's done is "effectively" amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    There is no vagueness.

    The president is granting certain qualified immigrants the temporary right to remain in the US. In this context, temporary means the right can be revoked at any time, by either the president or congress.
    What isn't talked about is the Ink in his pen.

    In order for Congress to do it would have to become a law.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Perhaps you can cut and paste here the particular part of that pdf that gives the President the authority to do what he did...because I don't see it.



    I agree that Obama hasn't granted amnesty...in a technical sense...but what he's done is "effectively" amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.


    Mornin Mycroft. The Center for Immigration Studies is calling it Amnesty. Its a slap in the face to all who have followed the law and are being pushed to the back of the bus.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    I've been talking a lot here about Obama's spin to justify his illegal action...which is echoed by the Obamabots in this thread.

    Here's another bit of spin that irritates the F***! out of me:

    "And to those members of Congress who question my authority to make our immigration system work better, or question the wisdom of me acting where Congress has failed, I have one answer: Pass a bill,"

    Sorry, Obama, nothing in the Constitution says that Congress has to ask, "how high", when you say "jump". And there is nothing in the Constitution that authorizes you to "fix things" by changing established law.
    Not to mention that the previous actions that Obama has taken WRT immigration and enforcement decisions has made it all the more difficult, if not impossible, for a bi-partisan supported immigration bill to pass congress. He's created the impossible situation, and then turns around and blames congress and the Republicans. Just more dishonesty from Obama. Nothing new here. In fact, it's getting quite boring and predictable, this.

    Interesting to note that this past history, no matter how recent, escapes the Obamabots and the Biased Lame Stream Media.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Please precisely define the length of time implied by his word, "temporary".
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    The word temporary does not require a definite length of time

    temporary: definition of temporary in Oxford dictionary (American English) (US)
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Not to mention how we feel when they steal our jobs, our classrooms, living-space, road-space, etc. .. and then act all entitled when we call them on it!

    By the way, enjoy my signature.
    Think about it. The lower paying jobs that these immigrants are taking are the starter jobs that those starting their working careers need to get started.

    I guess Obama must really hate America's youth.

    First he dumps the vast majority of the ObamaCare costs on them, and then, does little more than increase the competition for the jobs they need to start their lives by adding what? 4-5m more people competing for the same jobs?

    Yeah. Obama must really hate American's young people, and yet, he's also fooled them into voting him into office not only once, but twice. That's surely not going to just disappear in the coming years, as these people certainly are going to remember this.
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