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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    BO's executive amnesty violates the laws Congress has passed in order to create and implement laws Congress has refused to pass. BO is providing an estimated 5 million illegal immigrants with social security numbers, photo IDs and work permits—allowing them to now take jobs directly from struggling Americans.

    Meaning they can access almost all U.S. welfare programs and will with State Welfare Programs too.
    The law allows him to do that

    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=75

    And this is not amnesty. He is merely deferring deportations and granting some immgrants the legal right to remain in the US temporarily. When I asked for something he is doing that is illegal, I meant "something he is *actually* doing" and not "some imaginary fiction some wingnut on the right is blathering about"
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    He said he didn't have the power to grant amnesty which is quite correct. What he spoke about last night was only a temporary measure, it does not grant amnesty.
    I suppose we'll have to wait for the fine print, but there has been no indication of what "temporary" means. The courts are usually not shy about ruling on issues where obvious intent is attempted to be hidden by cute phrases and words.

    For example, the argument the President included in his remarks suggested that it is unreasonable to execute a mass deportation of millions of illegal aliens at one time. However, this word "temporary" suggests there will be a point in time in the future when the "waiver" will expire. Are there to be mass deportations then?

    While the vagueness may be cleared up in the actual hard copy EO, as it stands right now, the President has indeed granted a form of amnesty, since there is nothing other than the word "temporary" standing between now, and eternity.
    Last edited by ocean515; 11-21-14 at 11:10 AM.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    So...was he correct back then? Or is he correct now? Or does it just depend on what is politically advantageous at the time?
    He was wrong then, and if I had to guess I'd say that he knew it but being a politician he has not hesitations about lying in order to attack his opponent on the campaign trail.

    I know you like to be "picky, picky", but there really isn't much difference between an "executive order" and an "executive memo".
    Yes, I am picky when it comes to facts. If only you would be too.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Some things he did seem within his authority. I'm not clear on one particular point. If they are undocumented, how can they prove they have been here 5 years?
    One of my questions as well, and I think it works like this: "I has been here five years."

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    Some things he did seem within his authority. I'm not clear on one particular point. If they are undocumented, how can they prove they have been here 5 years?
    Paycheck stubs, hospital records, etc

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    It's not a bad plan, though the execution would have been better had it been with congress. The thing is, they refuse to work to fixing this system and add the GOP's hate for Obama to that. And it would be fiscally stupid to go about deporting millions of people, it'd be a waste of resources, ya know, tax payer dollars. Still, it can definitely be seen as a slap in the face to legal immigrant who waited their turns and others that still can't get in even though they're an ideal candidate for it. My parents did it legally, neither are fans of illegal immigrants. A very broken system. This is a product of those in government not getting their crap together and getting stuff done, the political back and forth isn't good for this nation. We need to streamline and cheapen legal immigration while coming down hard on illegal immigrants crossing the border. A hot mess.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It's not. The law allows the president to do that.

    Specifically, INA 212(d)(5) and 8 U.S.C. 182(d)(5)
    Both refer to granting parole for purposes of applying for admission, not work permits.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I suppose we'll have to wait for the fine print, but there has been no indication of what "temporary" means. The courts are usually not shy about ruling on issues where obvious intent is attempted to be hidden by cute phrases and words.

    For example, the argument the President included in his remarks suggested that it is unreasonable to execute a mass deportation of millions of illegal aliens at one time. However, this word "temporary" suggests there will be a point in time in the future when the "waiver" will expire. Are there to be mass deportations then?

    While the vagueness may be cleared up in the actual hard copy EO, as it stands right now, the President has indeed granted amnesty, since there is nothing other than the word "temporary" standing between now, and eternity.
    There is no vagueness.

    The president is granting certain qualified immigrants the temporary right to remain in the US. In this context, temporary means the right can be revoked at any time, by either the president or congress.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    One of my questions as well, and I think it works like this: "I has been here five years."
    The word on the street here in SoCal is the cottage industry in fraudulent ID's will be shifting over to inventing documents that will establish the "residency" requirements.

    I would suspect it will eventually be "learned" that there have been no new arrivals in the last 5 years, and every single illegal alien has been here since at least 2008.
    Last edited by ocean515; 11-21-14 at 11:23 AM.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The law allows him to do that

    http://www.nilc.org/document.html?id=75

    And this is not amnesty. He is merely deferring deportations and granting some immgrants the legal right to remain in the US temporarily. When I asked for something he is doing that is illegal, I meant "something he is *actually* doing" and not "some imaginary fiction some wingnut on the right is blathering about"


    Its Illegal......the difference is. The Other EO's by other Presidents were attached to Amendments by Congress with Legislation.

    BO is not adding an EO to any Legislation. He is attempting to write his Own bill.

    Also he is providing Soc Security cards. That's Taxation for many.....and without representation.

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