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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I'm confused - do you really mean "righting" laws, as in correcting errors/omissions? - or do you mean "writing" laws, as in legislating from the Oval Office?

    There is an important difference, at least in my view.
    Both. He is righting the laws and not writing law.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Ontologuy View Post
    Deportation is the fundamental punishment for illegal aliens, even without considering restitution they need to make for their crimes, and the imprisonment they deserve (which we're incapable of so we just send them back).

    If deportation is suspended, if the sentence is suspended, that's a pardoning act of amnesty.

    It's really clear as a bell.
    You got your "law" terms confused. Deportation is in no way a punishment.

    Border Patrol agents have the authority to turn back border crossers they encounter. Are BP agents judges that are authorized to adjudicate a sentence and deliver a judgement of deportation? Of course not.

    Immigration is Administrative law; not criminal law. There is a difference.


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Both. He is righting the laws and not writing law.
    He can't mean both in the OP - but I get your point, even if I disagree.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Juanita View Post
    Correction: Congress has never worked with the President--EVER..
    It takes two to tango and Obama is the most partisan president in my memory and has created the most divided government in history.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    You might want to check "your understanding" Perhaps you do not....
    And you might check the net prior to posting.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    When has this Congress ever worked with the President?
    This congress makes the do-nothing congress of Truman's time look like mighty successful .
    Plenty of presidents have worked with congress. This president hasn't tried to work with congress. Democrats passed Obamacare on a strictly partisan vote and ever since, obama has become the my way or the highway president. His idea of negotiating with congress is to have them agree with him. That's not how negotiations work. Obama lacked executive experience when he was elected and he doesn't understand building consensus. He just tries to ram crap down our throats like he did last night. This time though instead of not working with congress, he didn't work with the American people.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    If they had truly "worked with Congress to correct flaws" then congress would have passed new laws to correct those flaws, making the EO unnecessary and irrelevant.

    The fact is, that after the immigration reform act was passed in 1986, Congress passed nothing to fix those flaws, which is why both Reagan and bush* issued EO's
    See above.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Without a doubt its perfectly perfectly legal.
    That's nice to know. But I'm curious about the evolution on Obama's own opinion on it. He said for years that it isn't "perfectly legal".

    Is this your opinion as a Constitutional scholar? And why do you know more about the Constitution than the guy who taught Constitutional law did for so long?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    I have no idea if he's breaking the law or not. According to him, until last night, he was breaking the law. I've seen politicians on both sides say he is breaking the law. I've seen Democratic politicians say he isn't breaking the law.

    Unless a poster is a Constitutional scholar or attorney, none of us know either.

    I think SCOTUS will have to weigh in on this one.
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Let them do that then. Or is it gonna be like the great Bohner lawsuit?
    Lets see how far this one gets. I suspect they will be 0-2 with their petty threats.
    Writing up a Letter of Disapproval isn't going to be any difficulty.....Whats really funny, is watching how the Demos and the left quit all that chuckling once the Liberal Constitutional Attorney and Professor. Turley has taken on the lawsuit that's coming.

    Which is over another part of BO's overreach.

    As for Censure.....I think the Repubs should wait until the New Congress is in session and begin that process.

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