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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    What he is doing is not only perfectly legal its doing the same exact thing which many many presidents have done.
    Your desire for hyperbole makes you horrendously wrong.

    At best an argument for "similar" could potentially be made, but absolutely not exact.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This is one of the most emotional and passion inducing issues of all.

    It doesn't matter what he does or what he says, people are still going to get pissed off.

    Maybe it is illegal, maybe it isn't, I don't know, I'm not an expert, but I know at the end of the day this issue is not going away and true leadership isn't coming anytime soon to solve it because nobody likes the only solution available.
    Very true. Very true indeed. And no leadership coming from anywhere in the executive nor the legislative branch. That's the problem here more so than anything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    AT the end of the day, when you look at the size and scope of the problem, there is no other solution except either a pathway to citizenship or amnesty.

    That's it, there is no other solution to the problem.

    None at all.

    These people aren't going anywhere and you can't deport them all.

    I absolutely, 1000% understand why people would be upset by that.

    But... there is no other way.
    Okay, I see where you are going here. For a moment I thought you were going to say the only solution is to impeach the President.

    Anyway, I disagree with you.

    Enforcement of current laws will induce a large percentage of illegal aliens to self-deport when they can't work, can't use social services, etc. If we beefed up the current laws...and enforced them...even MORE would self-deport.

    Personally, I always favor enforcement of law over amnesty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    AT the end of the day, when you look at the size and scope of the problem, there is no other solution except either a pathway to citizenship or amnesty.

    That's it, there is no other solution to the problem.

    None at all.

    These people aren't going anywhere and you can't deport them all.

    I absolutely, 1000% understand why people would be upset by that.

    But... there is no other way.
    So the solution is to give away citizenship to illegal aliens, and throw open the borders?

    Strictly on principal, all illegal aliens should be deported and go to the back of the line. Principle runs into practicality and cost / benefit analysis.

    Maybe deport some, provide a path to citizenship to some others, ignore those who don't come forward?

    From a practicality point of view, drawing all these lines, and applying them to that many people seems as costly as deporting them all. Deporting them all would be a form of simplicity and consistency, would it not?

    What are you proposing as a solution?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Your desire for hyperbole makes you horrendously wrong.

    At best an argument for "similar" could potentially be made, but absolutely not exact.
    See post #89 and also #47


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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Notice how the only people saying this is unconsitutional are hacks like yourselves...



    Yes they have. Here our many examples: Critics Say Executive Action on Immigration Would Be Unprecedented. They Forget Their History. - NationalJournal.com
    and: 4 times presidents unilaterally protected immigrants from deportations - Vox




    No no no no. Lets get this straight. Its only "spin" when you dont agree with it...
    Your first link cites a bunch of instances of Presidents using their latitude in situations involving refugees. Are you attempting to spin things so you can call our millions of illegal aliens, "refugees"?

    In your second link, again, refugee situations are cited as well as situations in which the President was acting in accordance to laws that were passed by Congress.

    What law has Congress passed that allows Obama to alter standards for granting work permits? What law has Congress passed that allows Obama to just decide that millions of illegal aliens are suddenly not illegal anymore?
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by GmH View Post
    Is Obama righting Laws or is he doing the same thing as Bush and Reagan?
    Not the same thing as Bush and Reagan.
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    Immigrants legal and illegal could help their cause by learning the language. When when immigrants come this this country but hold on to the culture of the land they just left, is insensitive and offensive to us.

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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    I see that the inevitable howling has begun.

    Go ahead, Republicans. Please continue to alienate the fastest-growing minority in the nation from your voting base. The 2016 election awaits you.
    Its more like the 2014 elections have spoken. Stand down...
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    Re: Obama's Executive Order

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Notice how the only people saying this is unconsitutional are hacks like yourselves...
    Pot calling kettle black...
    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Generalizations are stupid.
    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Steel View Post
    The Second Amendment has nothing to do with guns.

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