View Poll Results: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

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  • I live close by the pipeline and I do NOT support it.

    5 6.41%
  • I live close by the pipeline and I do support it.

    3 3.85%
  • I do not live close by the pipeline and I do NOT support it.

    26 33.33%
  • I do not live close by the pipeline and I do support it.

    39 50.00%
  • I am not American and I do NOT support it.

    3 3.85%
  • I am not American and I do support it.

    0 0%
  • I have no opinion.

    2 2.56%
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Thread: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Second, petroleum based energy is going to be an even more critical commodity in the coming decades, and there will be growing tensions between the haves, and have nots. It makes sense to establish the infrastructure and amortize it now, rather than enter into a last minute scramble to secure energy when the issue becomes a major point of economic survival.
    This is precisely the reason we should be moving away from it. The next few decades are going to be an absolute clusterf*** when it comes to oil. Why establish infrastructure for a resource that will be incredibly limited when, as people have mentioned, we already have thousands of miles of pipeline? Not to mention the aforementioned tensions betweens have and have nots. We need to look beyond that/

    In the next 100 years as fossil fuels run out there will be a paradigm shift in how energy will be generated. I would rather be on the forefront of that then investing so much in oil this late in the game.
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    This is precisely the reason we should be moving away from it. The next few decades are going to be an absolute clusterf*** when it comes to oil. Why establish infrastructure for a resource that will be incredibly limited when, as people have mentioned, we already have thousands of miles of pipeline? Not to mention the aforementioned tensions betweens have and have nots. We need to look beyond that/

    In the next 100 years as fossil fuels run out there will be a paradigm shift in how energy will be generated. I would rather be on the forefront of that then investing so much in oil this late in the game.
    How about being on the forefront of both? There are other countries in this world that may not be in the position we will be. We will be in a position to help them. Planning for the future doesn't mean you abandon the present. Without the present, the future will never come.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How about being on the forefront of both? There are other countries in this world that may not be in the position we will be. We will be in a position to help them. Planning for the future doesn't mean you abandon the present. Without the present, the future will never come.
    That's all well and good but we already have miles and miles of oil pipeline, and billions of dollars worth of infrastructure which is already dependent on oil. Maintaining our stake in oil is sensible, but looking forward, investing further into oil is a losing bet. We can't afford, both economically and ecologically, to be on the forefront of both.
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    That's all well and good but we already have miles and miles of oil pipeline, and billions of dollars worth of infrastructure which is already dependent on oil. Maintaining our stake in oil is sensible, but looking forward, investing further into oil is a losing bet. We can't afford, both economically and ecologically, to be on the forefront of both.
    Of course we can afford to be on the forefront of both. One assures we have the opportunity to be in the forefront, and the other assures we remain there. As conventional supplies of petroleum dwindle, newer technologies, like those represented by the Keystone pipeline, will become more and more critical.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    I don't live close by .. and I somewhat support the pipeline.

    I don't think the environmental issues are all that real; likely they've been blown out of proportion. It's just a pipe carrying oil, with intermittent pumps each likely equivalent to a diesel truck. Yes, there'll be more pollution, but it will save on the pollution caused by trucking the oil in otherwise. The source environmental concerns are simply exaggerated from what I can see.

    The benefits seem to outweigh the costs.

    My greatest concern is whether we're still putting effort on hold to create alternative energy sources, and that new oil sources only delay that process.
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    I live in Nebraska and I've heard so much propaganda about how it wouldn't ever effect the aquifer and on the other side it would destroy it. My thought is that unless there is a 100% chance it could never be compromised why risk it for a foreign company that is also using eminent domain to obtain people's lands to build it on, even those who don't want it. Which brings up another thing I was made aware of recently is the fact the pipeline route crosses into Native Sioux lands. They are a sovereign nation and were not even brought into any discussions, it was routed through their lands with no approval. They have two treaties from our US government giving them that land and it's not right to break that.
    We know for a fact that it takes a very small amount of crude oil to contaminate a huge amount of water. That's a big reason why it's frowned upon to kill weeds with motor oil as that motor oil seeps into the ground water, especially well water and can render that water unusable for consumption. LA has spent huge gobs of money on technology to clean up the ground water from former industrial areas. They need the water for human and agricultural purposes and years of contamination by industrial leaks have rendered millions of gallons otherwise unusable. My biggest concern is that parts of the Ogalla aquifer are right below the surface, meaning leaks will quickly contaminate those areas. And by simple osmosis, millions of gallons will get contaminated too. The local Republican leaders were 100% on the money about crying foul because their economies are dependent on that water. In many ways, the Keystone fight is Local Republican vs Federal Republican. That doesn't get mentioned much in the Press. As for the Sioux Lands, that isn't that big of a concern to me as food security is.
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by AliHajiSheik View Post
    You are totally misunderstanding things. The Keystone pipeline has nothing to do with Pennsylvania, it is named after the Keystone Oil terminal in Hardisty, Alberta. Discussions going on in Pennsylvania are about another pipeline to take Shale Oil from the Marcellus fields to Philadelphia.

    The irony of the discussion is that may people are already near a natural gas pipeline: http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/natur...elines_map.jpg
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    This is precisely the reason we should be moving away from it. The next few decades are going to be an absolute clusterf*** when it comes to oil. Why establish infrastructure for a resource that will be incredibly limited when, as people have mentioned, we already have thousands of miles of pipeline? Not to mention the aforementioned tensions betweens have and have nots. We need to look beyond that/

    In the next 100 years as fossil fuels run out there will be a paradigm shift in how energy will be generated. I would rather be on the forefront of that then investing so much in oil this late in the game.
    Well the goal post moves again. Now people are admitting it will be a hundred years until we run low on oil instead of saying we are running out now. The truth has a way of coming out

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Do you support the pipeline and where do you live in proximity of the proposed pipeline? By "I live close" I am using that to show you are currently living in a state or a neighboring state that the proposed pipeline will go through, just couldn't fit all that. If you do support it but do not live nearby would you feel different if it went through your backyard?
    No one wants a pipeline, an interstate, or an airport running through there back yard, but everyone wants oil, roads and air travel. So...

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    No, I do not support it. It can be hazardous, but that is not the only reason. There is no pay off for such risks.

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