View Poll Results: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

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  • I live close by the pipeline and I do NOT support it.

    5 6.41%
  • I live close by the pipeline and I do support it.

    3 3.85%
  • I do not live close by the pipeline and I do NOT support it.

    26 33.33%
  • I do not live close by the pipeline and I do support it.

    39 50.00%
  • I am not American and I do NOT support it.

    3 3.85%
  • I am not American and I do support it.

    0 0%
  • I have no opinion.

    2 2.56%
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by radcen View Post
    I was against it originally, then someone made the point I highlighted in red and I had to re-think my position. Now I'm more on the fence.

    I also do not care for the heavy handedness of the eminent domain procedures, but it's not like said heavy handedness is unique to this project only.
    I have always disliked eminent domain procedures. If you want the land so bad, pay a bit above the going price.
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    I support the line, myself, BUT, you, sir must be pulling my leg(s) ..
    Our energy "problems", if we really have any , can be improved upon by a comprehensive energy plan .. as proposed by James Earl Carter some 40 years ago..

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Of course it IS a federal thing as many states are involved .. Every state MUST give an OK , if one does not .. then all do NOT . and this would be a problem Ditch "state rights" ..
    Solution .. go underground .. good idea ??

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    But it's going to make everything better! Had will be 50 cents per gallon! Everybody will have jobs! It will bring peace between Israel and Palestine!
    "Tongue in cheek" but this could cause suffocation, Rocket . I like underground, at least in places ... but this could make the pipeline too expensive , so, its back to the rails and trucks, and a possibility of pollution .

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Do you support the pipeline and where do you live in proximity of the proposed pipeline? By "I live close" I am using that to show you are currently living in a state or a neighboring state that the proposed pipeline will go through, just couldn't fit all that. If you do support it but do not live nearby would you feel different if it went through your backyard?
    First, I don't think most people have any clue what is running in pipelines very near where they live right now. In Southern California, there are pipelines running above, and most below the streets and neighborhoods throughout the Southland. This concern about the pipeline itself likely has more to do with imagination, than it does with reality.

    Second, petroleum based energy is going to be an even more critical commodity in the coming decades, and there will be growing tensions between the haves, and have nots. It makes sense to establish the infrastructure and amortize it now, rather than enter into a last minute scramble to secure energy when the issue becomes a major point of economic survival.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Thats not what the commerce clause was for at all. It was for the federal govt to enforce standard rules to encourage free trade. This issue is not a dispute between states, its a dispute between environmentalists and states/corporations. The issue of getting permission from every landowner to build a pipeline is the companies problem.
    It's not about a dispute, it's about the free flow of the pipeline across state borders. That is what the commerce clause is about, is ensuring the flow of commerce across the borders of the states. Otherwise Texas could impose tariffs on anything from Oklahoma. That wouldn't work at all.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    "Tongue in cheek" but this could cause suffocation, Rocket . I like underground, at least in places ... but this could make the pipeline too expensive , so, its back to the rails and trucks, and a possibility of pollution .
    Right, and I'm not that worried about the pollution anyway. If prices drop enough the sands of Alberta at the source will dry up - there will still be oil there, but it won't make economic sense to get it, so the oil companies will stop producing there. I'm also not big on shipping the oil out to China, which will happen anyway, but I don't see how it's in our interest to make it easier.


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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    It's not about a dispute, it's about the free flow of the pipeline across state borders. That is what the commerce clause is about, is ensuring the flow of commerce across the borders of the states. Otherwise Texas could impose tariffs on anything from Oklahoma. That wouldn't work at all.
    And thats not what this is about. Its simply about a company acquiring the rights from landowners to build the pipeline. If a landowner says no, that has nothing to do with the federal govt.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?
    just build the damned thing so that everyone will shut up about it. this is a stupid hill to die on for the Democrats. use it as a bargaining chip, and move the **** on.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Right, and I'm not that worried about the pollution anyway. If prices drop enough the sands of Alberta at the source will dry up - there will still be oil there, but it won't make economic sense to get it, so the oil companies will stop producing there. I'm also not big on shipping the oil out to China, which will happen anyway, but I don't see how it's in our interest to make it easier.


    That is wrong on so many levels I can't begin to address them.

    There is no "price drop", ever, as averaged over the long term oil prices rise amid fluctuation.

    The Athabaska Tar Sands have been in operation, profitable, since the 1970's, there is a 100 year life expectancy on the supply. Demand is growing especially in Asia where the viscosity characteristics are very much desired in manufacturing.

    The cancellation of Keystone XL 4, this is a small add on to the existing network, will have no affect on the future of Syncrude as plans are now underway to build an all Canadian route.

    You know that the Texas end was completed last March right? That this is just a doubling and expansion near the Canadian border?
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