View Poll Results: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

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  • I live close by the pipeline and I do NOT support it.

    5 6.41%
  • I live close by the pipeline and I do support it.

    3 3.85%
  • I do not live close by the pipeline and I do NOT support it.

    26 33.33%
  • I do not live close by the pipeline and I do support it.

    39 50.00%
  • I am not American and I do NOT support it.

    3 3.85%
  • I am not American and I do support it.

    0 0%
  • I have no opinion.

    2 2.56%
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    The Keystone pipeline is a must for America and will help create jobs to repair a cripple economy. The Keystone will also solve most of our oil problems.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Here's the problem with that argument: if one state says ok, and the next state doesn't you don't have any kind of useful pipeline at all. This is what the Federal government was created for in the first place: interstate commerce.
    If a state does not want the pipeline, it should not matter what the Feds say. No state (except during a declared war) should ever be forced to accept a pipeline they do not want.

    And if that kills the pipeline, tough.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    My main issue with the pipeline is that it represents a long term investment in fossil fuels. Obviously fossil fuels are completely necessary right now but we should be reducing our dependency on them, not increasing it. Our long term focus should be moving towards nuclear and renewables.

    EDIT: Can anyone educate me on the terms of importing oil from Canada? I'm guessing we get it much cheaper than we would oil from the M.E., but it's still an import so much costlier than drilling for gas in N.Dakota or whatever?
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Well, tbh, I'm not 100% positive how I'd feel if it were in my own back yard, but I don't think it would bother me. Maybe I'm just underestimating the effects. Can you enlighten me as to why it would be awful to live near it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I don't think it's that big of an issue to live with it.

    I think it's a bigger issue of ogallala aquifer contamination. Diehard Republican supporters of the pipeline always omit that some of the loudest opposition to the pipeline came from Republican Governors, Legislatures and Republican Congressional members of the states that would be negatively impacted from a leak contaminating their primary water source. What happens if production drops in our grain belt due to aquifer contamination? Food prices rise. Which impacts you.

    I live in Nebraska and I've heard so much propaganda about how it wouldn't ever effect the aquifer and on the other side it would destroy it. My thought is that unless there is a 100% chance it could never be compromised why risk it for a foreign company that is also using eminent domain to obtain people's lands to build it on, even those who don't want it. Which brings up another thing I was made aware of recently is the fact the pipeline route crosses into Native Sioux lands. They are a sovereign nation and were not even brought into any discussions, it was routed through their lands with no approval. They have two treaties from our US government giving them that land and it's not right to break that.
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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Unless I totally misunderstand things, this pipeline will pass through somewhere in my state (being that I live IN the "keystone state", it seems likely).
    And, I will likely take little issue with it so long as the environmental impact is accounted for and prevented as much as is reasonable.
    You are totally misunderstanding things. The Keystone pipeline has nothing to do with Pennsylvania, it is named after the Keystone Oil terminal in Hardisty, Alberta. Discussions going on in Pennsylvania are about another pipeline to take Shale Oil from the Marcellus fields to Philadelphia.

    The irony of the discussion is that may people are already near a natural gas pipeline: http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/natur...elines_map.jpg

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Can anyone even figure out why this is an area of contentious debate? We're having massive arguments over:

    1) Whether to add a few thousand 2-year temp jobs.
    2) About 35 permanent jobs.
    3) Little to no affect on oil prices.

    Honestly, though... what gives? Why are we even talking about it? Either do it or don't, but let's not pretend like it's going to change anything for the better.
    Because its a political football, and a good example of environmentalist using federal power to force their ideas on states.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Here's the problem with that argument: if one state says ok, and the next state doesn't you don't have any kind of useful pipeline at all. This is what the Federal government was created for in the first place: interstate commerce.
    Thats not what the commerce clause was for at all. It was for the federal govt to enforce standard rules to encourage free trade. This issue is not a dispute between states, its a dispute between environmentalists and states/corporations. The issue of getting permission from every landowner to build a pipeline is the companies problem.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I do not live close, and I could support it with certain conditions: that all the environmental analysis is done and planning for accidents is done, that agreements are made to keep the oil in continental North America, things like that. Where we are on all that I am not sure as I don't really follow this issue much.
    That about sums it up for me.

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Frat Rep.h View Post
    The Keystone pipeline is a must for America and will help create jobs to repair a cripple economy. The Keystone will also solve most of our oil problems.
    It may solve a few short term problems, but we must look beyond that. What are the long term goals and effects?

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    Re: Do you support the Keystone XL pipeline?

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    I think the pipeline is a good idea. What I can't understand is all the hoopla over an addition of 2,000 miles or so of additional pipeline when this country already has 186,000 of liquid oil pipelines already. This pipeline will have safety features the other 186,000 miles do not. Besides, pipelines are a whole lot safer and emit less pollution then transporting all that oil via train and truck. The oil will be transported, it is just a question of how.

    Now I am not for the use of eminent Domain and that stops me from being gung ho about the pipeline. As for living close to a pipeline, I would wager a whole bunch of people would be surprised where these pipelines run and how close they do live to one.
    I was against it originally, then someone made the point I highlighted in red and I had to re-think my position. Now I'm more on the fence.

    I also do not care for the heavy handedness of the eminent domain procedures, but it's not like said heavy handedness is unique to this project only.
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